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42. I think you really should take the time to talk

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 04:46 PM

Jun 2013

to some trans women. Perhaps you can find one who still has a "male body". Ask them if they have a burning desire to whip their penis out in the ladies toilet.

To make a comment like "some people with male bodies" is distasteful. A trans woman is NOT a man. She may have male genitalia - the reasons for that are many and varied and it isn't for you to judge her sincerity based on what she has between her legs.

Please get a clue, pnwmom. A pre-surgical trans woman has a penis - in the same way that someone else might have a fleshy tumor. It is not a sexual organ; it is something that needs to be removed. You dance around this all the time - this is hardly the first time you've raised the subject - and each time you do a very poor job of convincing anyone that you are not irrationally biased against trans women. Your comment proves that you clearly have no desire to learn and understand anything about the trans community.

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A man disguised as a woman videotaped women using the ladies' room, [View all] pnwmom Jun 2013 OP

This is the kind of thing that I'm willing to err on the side of inclusivity. Brickbat Jun 2013 #1

I'm curious whether you are saying this as a woman or a man? pnwmom Jun 2013 #6

It's impossible to protect everyone from everything all the time. Brickbat Jun 2013 #13

Anyone can be anything on the internet, Quantess Jun 2013 #33

whoops how did I mess that up? I meant Quantess Jun 2013 #46

Let's rephrase my argument Quantess Jun 2013 #48

I am not confident that you are are a woman with a daughter, as you claim. Quantess Jun 2013 #49

i'm not. just because a man is dressed as a woman doesn't mean he gets to come in the HiPointDem Jun 2013 #20

Make all the restrooms unisex and that'd help. uppityperson Jun 2013 #23

unisex bathrooms = one room with one stall & one sink. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #27

Nope. Unisex= multiple stalls and sinks. uppityperson Jun 2013 #30

i don't want to use a bathroom with men, and that's what you're suggesting. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #57

Do you have a 2 bathroom house, in case a family member invites a male home? uppityperson Jun 2013 #81

i don't have to be in the bathroom at the same time with men at my house, or in public HiPointDem Jun 2013 #82

Lots of words but you did not answer my question. uppityperson Jun 2013 #83

i did, actually. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #84

Do you have a 2 bathroom house, 1 for men, 1 for women? Eapecially unrelated m/w? uppityperson Jun 2013 #85

my answer was: your question is irrelevant; bathrooms in private homes are not used HiPointDem Jun 2013 #86

I'd prefer the urinals be in a separate area...but other than that stalls lock. alphafemale Jun 2013 #65

Exactly. Stalls for all uses and otherwise meh uppityperson Jun 2013 #78

So some dude can reach under or look over the top of my stall? bunnies Jun 2013 #116

so can some woman. OMG, getting a lesbian looking an lusting after you and uppityperson Jun 2013 #117

LOL! HappyMe Jun 2013 #119

Exactly. thank you. eom uppityperson Jun 2013 #123

Get a grip. bunnies Jun 2013 #122

And, a quick google gives me these hits on lesbians raping other women... uppityperson Jun 2013 #124

ANYONE of ANY gender doing this in ANY restroom for ANY gender is wrong. uppityperson Jun 2013 #2

don't use logic tk2kewl Jun 2013 #9

Exactly. HappyMe Jun 2013 #18

problem is, he was doing it surreptitiously. the only reason he was found out is that someone HiPointDem Jun 2013 #22

And a woman doing this would be ok to you. Oh. No, problem is that it was done. Period. And wtf? uppityperson Jun 2013 #26

i don't want to share the bathroom with men, whether wearing dresses & carrying cameras or not. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #32

What about a woman who was born male and transgendered? uppityperson Jun 2013 #79

if they are transgendered and no longer have a penis. No problem. If they are still transitioning KittyWampus Jun 2013 #115

What? If no penis, ok, if penis, not? What? What else would you do in a woman's toilet but sit on uppityperson Jun 2013 #118

And they knew he was a man, how? FloridaJudy Jun 2013 #127

Exactly MichaelMcGuire Jun 2013 #99

I would say anyone with a penis should use the men's room. Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #3

I don't agree. Whisp Jun 2013 #21

i do. i don't care what she 'feels like'. putting on a dress doesn't make you a woman. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #24

wooooosh Whisp Jun 2013 #25

woosh yourself. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #34

Good lord. So should being lesbian also bar you since you "the gays"will be checking you out? uppityperson Jun 2013 #28

good lord yourself. i don't want to share a public bathroom with men, whether they're checking me HiPointDem Jun 2013 #36

That's not the currently accepted opinion marshall Jun 2013 #44

'currently accepted opinion' of who? i'd suggest that an overwhelming majority of people HiPointDem Jun 2013 #58

Being transgender is far more than "just putting on a dress"... Humanist_Activist Jun 2013 #68

the story has nothing to do with transgenderness. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #69

The story has to do with pwnmom obsessing over the transgendered, again... Humanist_Activist Jun 2013 #70

that's her problem, not mine. the issue is both the camera and the fact that the man dressed HiPointDem Jun 2013 #72

This is a simplistic response to the complicated issue of gender identity el_bryanto Jun 2013 #51

he was not a transgender male, he was a man in drag who came to take perv photos. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #59

What does make a woman a woman? idwiyo Jun 2013 #56

Two X chromosomes? A Little Weird Jun 2013 #101

I suggest to read a little bit about genetic disorders and intersex. That might spare you from idwiyo Jun 2013 #103

I don't think asking a question A Little Weird Jun 2013 #105

OK, if that was an honest question I would suggest to check the link I posted below. idwiyo Jun 2013 #107

Thank you A Little Weird Jun 2013 #108

I apologise for being rude to you, it was uncalled for. This is a difficult and not well publicised idwiyo Jun 2013 #109

No problem A Little Weird Jun 2013 #110

Thank you! FloridaJudy Jun 2013 #129

I wish there was someone like Carl Sagan to explain it to the public on a national TV. Not just in idwiyo Jun 2013 #130

I spent over thirty years FloridaJudy Jun 2013 #131

Excellent post. HappyMe Jun 2013 #53

It's gender identity, not sexual identity Tien1985 Jun 2013 #39

You might want to read an article or two about intersex before making such ignorant statements. idwiyo Jun 2013 #90

That would be the sensible way to do it. NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #128

This guy is a light weight badtoworse Jun 2013 #4

Ewww... Aerows Jun 2013 #14

That's the first time shawn703 Jun 2013 #16

Unbelievabl! I didn't know that. badtoworse Jun 2013 #47

OMG Aerows Jun 2013 #52

Chuck Berry was an inspiration to many REP Jun 2013 #29

Gross and disgusting! In_The_Wind Jun 2013 #64

This is an architecture problem, not a policy problem jberryhill Jun 2013 #5

This isn't about anyone's home. n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #7

I realize that jberryhill Jun 2013 #11

Yes. Single person bathrooms are better. Unfortunately, architecture problems pnwmom Jun 2013 #12

All problems cost money to fix jberryhill Jun 2013 #15

Agreed. Brickbat Jun 2013 #17

Um, it's the fucking video camera that's the issue. nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #8

Yup the video camera and the asshole using it are what's in question. Initech Jun 2013 #54

Well I don't see why it would be any more acceptable for a trans person to do it... sibelian Jun 2013 #10

what has this got to do with transgender ? JI7 Jun 2013 #19

Some transgender women still have male bodies. pnwmom Jun 2013 #31

i don't understand, this person dressed as a woman , women have different body types JI7 Jun 2013 #35

More important question: why are our transgender sisters and brothers mentioned in the same thread idwiyo Jun 2013 #100

that's effed up right there CreekDog Jun 2013 #126

What this guy was doing was wrong plain and simple Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2013 #37

This isn't the first time... TeeYiYi Jun 2013 #38

I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that. Hong Kong Cavalier Jun 2013 #50

Thanks for the tip. idwiyo Jun 2013 #55

I think this is the third time. Starry Messenger Jun 2013 #60

People claim that this kind of thing isn't a concern for women and never happens. pnwmom Jun 2013 #76

YOU AND THE RIGHT WING ARE THE ONES OBSESSING ABOUT THIS. Starry Messenger Jun 2013 #77

What if a woman did this, secretly videoed in a womans restroom? uppityperson Jun 2013 #80

oh gawd yes she is obsessed with anything that would fall under boilerbabe Jun 2013 #95

This is not a transgender issue it is a perv issue. MuseRider Jun 2013 #40

actually, it helps immensely that men aren't supposed to be in women's bathrooms, so if you see HiPointDem Jun 2013 #63

Better bathrooms that afford more privacy. onpatrol98 Jun 2013 #41

I think you really should take the time to talk enlightenment Jun 2013 #42

How about individual-sized, multiple unisex bathrooms. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #43

That would be my preference also, but it would be very expensive to convert all those bathrooms. n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #75

Very cheap and easy solution - don't use public restrooms and spare the rest of us from idwiyo Jun 2013 #106

Shouldn't we be talking about how do we keep sexual predators out of restrooms? idwiyo Jun 2013 #45

since most are men, keeping men out of women's restrooms would be a good start. I DO like the HiPointDem Jun 2013 #62

Just a question? Where do the intersexed fit in your binary and fixed world... Humanist_Activist Jun 2013 #67

since 'intersex' is a catch-all category for a bunch of not necessarily related things, nowhere & HiPointDem Jun 2013 #71

So what is your solution, banning all those who don't conform to gender stereotypes from using... Humanist_Activist Jun 2013 #121

So, you don't want to share restroom with sexual predator. Neither do I. Regardless of their gender. idwiyo Jun 2013 #87

the fact is, men are way more likely to be predators than women, sexual and otherwise. i don't HiPointDem Jun 2013 #88

Who told you that you have to share a gender segregated restroom with a man? idwiyo Jun 2013 #91

posters at du. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #94

Can you please provide a specific example? I can't find one in this thread. idwiyo Jun 2013 #96

as you have been uniformly nasty to me in every exchange over a long period of time, i have HiPointDem Jun 2013 #98

You are welcome to do as you are pleased. I was nothing but polite to you in is thread idwiyo Jun 2013 #104

The man in the article is a man wearing women's clothing. pnwmom Jun 2013 #74

Why did you bring transgender into this discussion? idwiyo Jun 2013 #89

How do we keep bigots out of bathrooms, bothering innocent trans women. Hmmm. Starry Messenger Jun 2013 #61

+1. idwiyo Jun 2013 #92

I would like to point out that your transphobia and obsession with bathrooms is disconcerting... Humanist_Activist Jun 2013 #66

I'm a feminist who thinks that women should be able to have some privacy pnwmom Jun 2013 #73

Why did you bring transgender into this discussion? idwiyo Jun 2013 #93

Because males who should be barred from ladies' restrooms pnwmom Jun 2013 #97

Easy. How about YOU assume that EVERYONE is a sexual predator and stop using public restrooms. idwiyo Jun 2013 #102

who are you? what makes you think your hangups should dictate what bathroom people use? CreekDog Jun 2013 #113

Thank you. Exactly. nt Lex Jun 2013 #125

You must spend an extremely large amount of time in public restrooms, Jamastiene Jun 2013 #111

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #112

instead of trying to change bathrooms in the entire country, deal with your own issues CreekDog Jun 2013 #114

how do we keep bigots out of public restrooms when they pretend to be concerned feminists? LanternWaste Jun 2013 #120