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Yo_Mama

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24. Apparently they are on the same list, but the criteria are different
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 06:39 PM
Jun 2013

Wiki:

Before 2005, donor lungs within the United States were allocated by the United Network for Organ Sharing on a first-come, first-served basis to patients on the transplant list. This was replaced by the current system, in which prospective lung recipients of age of 12 and older are assigned a lung allocation score or LAS, which takes into account various measures of the patient's health. The new system allocates donated lungs according to the immediacy of need rather than how long a patient has been on the transplant list. Patients who are under the age of 12 are still given priority based on how long they have been on the transplant waitlist. The length of time spent on the list is also the deciding factor when multiple patients have the same lung allocation score.


They're on the same list, but they're working off different criteria. The young ones are also matched for size, which apparently with the staple routine doesn't matter as much for transplants between adolescents and various-sized adults.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lung_transplantation

This is the UNOS explanation of how their current policy works:
http://www.unos.org/docs/Lung_Patient.pdf

LAS is calculated for those over 12. Pediatric and adolescent lungs are offered FIRST to pediatric and adolescent patients.

Here's a paper discussing most of the current US system:
http://www.atsjournals.org/doi/full/10.1513/pats.200808-095GO
Timing of transplantation is also influenced by the underlying allocation system. One of the byproducts of the success of lung transplantation has been a steady increase in the number of adults undergoing lung transplantation (5, 20). Thus children are facing increased competition with adults for organs; this may explain why the ratio of transplants to waiting list deaths in pediatric candidates remains higher than that in adults (21). Because the principles for allocation of organs include a directive to “recognize the differences in health and in organ transplantation issues between children and adults throughout the system and adopt criteria, polices, and procedures that address the unique health care needs of children,” and because end-stage organ dysfunction has a significant impact on growth and development, priority has been given to children in U.S. transplant allocation systems (22). In 2005, when the allocation of lungs in the United States was modified to incorporate allocation to candidates over 12 years of age based on a combination of transplant benefit and medical urgency (23), these principles led to including preferential allocation of lungs from pediatric donors to pediatric recipients. However, this system provides limited benefit to children under 12. Because the diversity in diagnoses and small numbers of young pediatric patients was felt to preclude development of accurate models of lung transplant waiting list outcomes, lung transplant candidates under 12 years old were not included in the new algorithm and continue to receive organs only on the basis of waiting time. A mechanism to stratify younger patients based on medical urgency is on the horizon, however. Recognizing that infants carry the highest waiting list mortality rate among all transplant candidates, the OPTN board recently approved a series of proposals to direct organs from donors under 11 years old to younger children first (24–26). The proposal for lung transplant candidates prioritizes children under 12 awaiting lung transplant based on objective medical urgency criteria, and distributes organs from donors under 12 over a much greater distance before offering them to older children or adults (25). These proposals are currently scheduled to be programmed into the OPTN computer system in 2009 and will hopefully reduce waiting list mortality for infants and young children.


In 2010 the change was made to rank pediatric patients as Priority 1 or Priority 2s based on need.

The median survival time for pediatric patients is 4.3 years, which is not that far below adults.


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I have a hard time understanding this rule laundry_queen Jun 2013 #1
I think the issue probably is chest capacity Yo_Mama Jun 2013 #7
I understand that laundry_queen Jun 2013 #8
You can give lungs to an adult where they will fit, or you can give them to a child LisaL Jun 2013 #35
Not talking about sticking lungs from a 6 foot tall guy into a 5 year old. laundry_queen Jun 2013 #41
This must be gut wrenching for Sec. Sebelius... PennsylvaniaMatt Jun 2013 #2
i can understand that but how about changing it so the rule applies to all kids JI7 Jun 2013 #4
I have remarkably less concern for Sibelius than for the child. Psephos Jun 2013 #12
And if that was the case nobodyspecial Jun 2013 #13
All or none for you, I see. Psephos Jun 2013 #14
And you don't think the rich .... oldhippie Jun 2013 #30
So, to prevent meddling by the rich, children may sometimes have to die. Psephos Jun 2013 #32
I made a comment in another thread Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #17
well said n/t Psephos Jun 2013 #22
but who gets the lungs? If you make lungs available, who gets it? There are lots of sick liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #26
The good answer is... Psephos Jun 2013 #33
They are all exceptional cases Politicub Jun 2013 #34
By definition of the word exceptional, they are not all exceptional. Psephos Jun 2013 #38
they are all dying. The doctors do prioritize as best they can. They do try to put the sickest liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #40
I think the problem here is that the doctors don't think it will work. Am I wrong? freshwest Jun 2013 #42
does anyone know why there is the age rule ? does it have to do with JI7 Jun 2013 #3
It has to do with lung size. Adult lungs don't fit DevonRex Jun 2013 #6
They are able to modify the lungs laundry_queen Jun 2013 #10
When I was hunting around Yo_Mama Jun 2013 #15
All interesting laundry_queen Jun 2013 #23
Apparently they are on the same list, but the criteria are different Yo_Mama Jun 2013 #24
Yes, only bilater lung transplants will work for CF. LisaL Jun 2013 #36
She has CF. LisaL Jun 2013 #37
I know that. The blog of the person I'm talking about laundry_queen Jun 2013 #39
I think once they transplant non-CF lungs Yo_Mama Jun 2013 #43
Me thinks the Secretary's comments are comparable to a governor stating he would not stay the indepat Jun 2013 #5
No, that's not fair Yo_Mama Jun 2013 #9
Not having cut Madame Secretary a bit of slack was not cool: my indepat Jun 2013 #11
It's totally understandable Yo_Mama Jun 2013 #16
I feel for the family, my older daughter is only about a year younger then this girl. Jennicut Jun 2013 #21
Notwithstanding my mea culpa, a Federal judge has reportedly ruled the little girl can get indepat Jun 2013 #25
+1 Raine1967 Jun 2013 #19
Ms. Sebelius is not a doctor -- Raine1967 Jun 2013 #18
Anyone remember the name Sun Hudson? Roland99 Jun 2013 #20
Update: A federal judge has agreed to prevent HHS from enforcing the age rule, giving Sarah a chance Ian David Jun 2013 #27
It seems like there are no good answers here. That said, when you're talking about saving a child's Warren DeMontague Jun 2013 #28
I have to agree with Sibelius about her role. Shrike47 Jun 2013 #29
Death panels...indeed! eom Purveyor Jun 2013 #31
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