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rfranklin

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1. The founding fathers were not big on organized religion which is why....
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 06:28 PM
Feb 2012
they saw fit to keep the government out of religion and vice versa.

And they especially did not like papists!


Because many of the British colonists, such as the Puritans and Congregationalists, were fleeing religious persecution by the Church of England, much of early American religious culture exhibited the more extreme anti-Catholic bias of these Protestant denominations. Monsignor John Tracy Ellis wrote that a "universal anti-Catholic bias was brought to Jamestown in 1607 and vigorously cultivated in all the thirteen colonies from Massachusetts to Georgia."[23] Colonial charters and laws often contained specific proscriptions against Catholics. For example, the second Massachusetts charter of October 7, 1691 decreed "that forever hereafter there shall be liberty of conscience allowed in the worship of God to all Christians, except Papists, inhabiting, or which shall inhabit or be resident within, such Province or Territory."[24]

Monsignor Ellis noted that a common hatred of the Catholic Church could unite Anglican clerics and Puritan ministers despite their differences and conflicts.

Some of America's Founding Fathers held anti-clerical beliefs. For example, in 1788, John Jay urged the New York Legislature to require office-holders to renounce foreign authorities "in all matters ecclesiastical as well as civil.".[25] Thomas Jefferson wrote, "History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government,"[26] and that "In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own."[27]

Some states devised loyalty oaths designed to exclude Catholics from state and local office.[28]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Catholicism

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The founding fathers were not big on organized religion which is why.... rfranklin Feb 2012 #1
Jefferson did not like papists either. JDPriestly Feb 2012 #32
Well, now it's time for the persecutees to be the persecutors! krispos42 Feb 2012 #2
these conservatives want to turn DesertFlower Feb 2012 #3
They want to use every wedge issue for power malaise Feb 2012 #17
I'm waiting for them to push for divorce to become illegal... GodlessBiker Feb 2012 #4
I think they did, but the murder rate went up and donations went down. russspeakeasy Feb 2012 #9
Newt was part of the "Ground Zero Mosque" hysteria Enrique Feb 2012 #5
Good point malaise Feb 2012 #12
Exactly - TBF Feb 2012 #6
They sure are trying hard malaise Feb 2012 #26
Ladies and Gentlemen, President James Madison: hifiguy Feb 2012 #7
I see your James Madison and raise you one Thomas Paine: white_wolf Feb 2012 #10
Well played, sir! hifiguy Feb 2012 #11
Isn't that the truth malaise Feb 2012 #15
Excellent post malaise Feb 2012 #13
And when they escaped persecution they started the Salem Witch hunts lunatica Feb 2012 #8
Freaking perfect malaise Feb 2012 #14
Always persecuted - never a persecutor liberal N proud Feb 2012 #16
Why would you expect him to know anything Rex Feb 2012 #18
I won't lie, I can't remember much after Nicea. white_wolf Feb 2012 #20
I don't know and it really Grinds My Gears. Rex Feb 2012 #25
Good question but he sells himself as a malaise Feb 2012 #22
And that pisses me off. Rex Feb 2012 #24
I detest religion haters. former9thward Feb 2012 #19
On the contrary malaise Feb 2012 #23
You said Catholics want to force others to accept their religion. former9thward Feb 2012 #27
I think that's why Europe got free of religion much sooner than the U.S. tanyev Feb 2012 #21
if you're referring to the Pilgrims, you're wrong. provis99 Feb 2012 #28
Not true. justiceischeap Feb 2012 #30
the first law the pilgrims passed was to discriminate against Quakers. provis99 Feb 2012 #31
Did you actually read my post? nt justiceischeap Feb 2012 #33
well, you obviously failed to read mine. TWICE. provis99 Feb 2012 #37
Woohoo! I've been ignored! justiceischeap Feb 2012 #38
Get your pilgrims straight Brother Buzz Feb 2012 #35
you are ignorant, and you are now on ignore. provis99 Feb 2012 #41
Cool Beans! Brother Buzz Feb 2012 #43
Word! Excellent 2-sentence analysis, Malaise... Surya Gayatri Feb 2012 #29
I'm with you. Religion is the world's longest-running con game. Scuba Feb 2012 #34
Well put. Arugula Latte Feb 2012 #36
Ditto malaise Feb 2012 #40
America: Good, Everything else: Bad WhoIsNumberNone Feb 2012 #39
See how wars get started over religion! It's happening right here. nt nanabugg Feb 2012 #42
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