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Fire Walk With Me

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47. You're missing two points of the post you've replied to.

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:24 PM

Jun 2013

Firstly, it was intended generally and secondly, that politicians and anyone lobbying for politicians are subject to the will of the people. "Democracy" means "the voice and will of the people". And LGBTQ folk are suffering under intolerable inequality which must be contested and ended.

You may have also missed that shit's fucked up and bullshit, and that "politicians" and "leaders" are doing fuck-all about it. Civil disobedience is required to force them to instigate change. Of course, we Occupiers were beaten and jailed in huge numbers for having spoken up about problems, effectively within the FBI's definition of domestic terrorism (the use and or threat of force to get a group of politically-minded people to change their behavior) so even the 1st Amendment is fucked off by those in power, and voting really isn't doing the trick, so exactly what is left?

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Just posted this on GetEqual's FB page (re: Michelle Obama heckler) [View all] markpkessinger Jun 2013 OP

Thanks Mark, for your level headed rational response to the idiocy shown by Ms. Sturtz. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #1

So the President should never sign an EO because the next one might reverse it? LonePirate Jun 2013 #51

What the White House said just hours before Michelle's speech, below Tx4obama Jun 2013 #69

Excellent points eissa Jun 2013 #2

She probably got more than she expected. If she had waited for the appropriate time would A Simple Game Jun 2013 #6

Not all publicity is good publicity eissa Jun 2013 #8

All publicity is publicity. It gets the message out. No, it probably won't change peoples minds A Simple Game Jun 2013 #24

Shouldn't the aim be making changes instead of making scenes? eissa Jun 2013 #28

Not always zipplewrath Jun 2013 #32

The White House restated their position hours before Michelle's speech, below Tx4obama Jun 2013 #70

Still waiting for that to ACTUALLY HAPPEN. Fearless Jun 2013 #82

Senator Harkin has said that he will hold a vote on ENDA this year. Tx4obama Jun 2013 #83

And it will pass the House? Fearless Jun 2013 #84

Which probably wouldn't have satisfied the heckler zipplewrath Jun 2013 #90

Wrong.... we're not talking about any agenda right now, we're talking about horrible bahavior groundloop Jun 2013 #31

Zero discussion? You even mention it in your post saying it is not discussed. A Simple Game Jun 2013 #35

The only thing that got exposed leftynyc Jun 2013 #38

No � 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #45

She could have done it for a selfish reason, I don't know, nor do I care. A Simple Game Jun 2013 #57

And ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #58

You may be right, depends on how long it stays in the news. n/t A Simple Game Jun 2013 #59

So ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #68

The First Lady should have stood there quietly and allowed the heckler JDPriestly Jun 2013 #78

??? onpatrol98 Jun 2013 #86

This is not about race. Watch how well President Obama handles JDPriestly Jun 2013 #108

Interesting... onpatrol98 Jun 2013 #109

Pres. Clinton used to listen to hecklers and talk to them Kurovski Jun 2013 #107

Great logic, mark. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #3

thank you! handmade34 Jun 2013 #4

+1 onpatrol98 Jun 2013 #5

Excellent post leftynyc Jun 2013 #7

First Obama needs to apologize dbackjon Jun 2013 #10

ONLY Obama needs to apologize? Nothing about the previous 43 Presidents? Thats telling. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #11

Are the previous 43 still in office? dbackjon Jun 2013 #13

No but 41, 42, & 43 are still alive. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #17

And have little power dbackjon Jun 2013 #20

And has done more for gay rights then every President combined in US history. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #23

The only answer you will get is: "But only because it was politically possible". Liberal Veteran Jun 2013 #55

How wrong you are. dbackjon Jun 2013 #98

I don't dismiss the role of activism. I do, however, reject your assertion about "our money". Liberal Veteran Jun 2013 #99

I expect a President and a party that can multi-task dbackjon Jun 2013 #101

And what is your criteria for deciding which speaking events can focus on another issue? Liberal Veteran Jun 2013 #102

You are ignoring that the speech was a fundraiser for corporations dbackjon Jun 2013 #103

I see. Heckling is saintly behavior that must be rewarded. Liberal Veteran Jun 2013 #104

Protesting a worthy cause is dbackjon Jun 2013 #105

And still thinks Gay Rights are a state's rights issue dbackjon Jun 2013 #97

I do hope this "little power" stays true DonCoquixote Jun 2013 #96

Seriously panader0 Jun 2013 #19

Take it up with the President leftynyc Jun 2013 #36

One moment. The 1st sitting President to openly support gay marriage need to apologize to gays? Liberal Veteran Jun 2013 #54

+ I can't even begin to write a number that large Number23 Jun 2013 #76

. bunnies Jun 2013 #91

You mean Obama that opposed Gay Marriage dbackjon Jun 2013 #93

yeah that last guy DonCoquixote Jun 2013 #95

The evening was a DNC political fundraiser. While the topic was important Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #12

So fucking what? leftynyc Jun 2013 #37

Ruined their evening. Boo fucking hoo. What rarified world they must live in Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #40

Ah - I had no idea I was dealing with a child leftynyc Jun 2013 #41

They were there to talk about inner city children treestar Jun 2013 #62

^THIS^ SunSeeker Jun 2013 #72

I'm not sure urinating on an equally worthy topic is ever effective. Liberal Veteran Jun 2013 #73

Exactly. SunSeeker Jun 2013 #75

They were there to raise money for the DNC. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #79

As a gay man dbackjon Jun 2013 #9

There is a flip side, and it is not specific to this event. Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #14

Didn't hear anything "snotty" or "selfish" about her statement. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #18

If the protester is a toddler, why does the adult have to threaten to walk away from it? n/t Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #46

Excellent post - and one hundred percent agree dbackjon Jun 2013 #21

What about Michelle's "rights" to be heard without being disrupted??? Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #39

I don't really care either way but I think Sturtz did a smart thing. As for spin? A Simple Game Jun 2013 #42

You're missing two points of the post you've replied to. Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #47

Why can't I get anyone to respond about where you draw the line in re private property? I'm agreeing patrice Jun 2013 #53

K&R. Totally agree. The time and place to speak about inequality is always 'here and now'. idwiyo Jun 2013 #88

As a hetero LittleGirl Jun 2013 #15

"Ms. Sturtz's actions reflected badly on the4 entire LGBT community." NCTraveler Jun 2013 #16

Yup - most gays I know applauded her actions dbackjon Jun 2013 #22

if that had been ann romney, more DUers would be applauding her actions as well. frylock Jun 2013 #25

Well maybe it would be because eissa Jun 2013 #29

When it became politically ok for them to be supportive dbackjon Jun 2013 #33

i think it's because people, in general, are extremely partisan.. frylock Jun 2013 #63

No, they would not treestar Jun 2013 #61

yep. more so on facebook. not so much here. nt boilerbabe Jun 2013 #26

I haven't acted as though I were a "spokesman" at all . . . markpkessinger Jun 2013 #43

I really dont care who or what she is or what she has to say... jessie04 Jun 2013 #27

Very well said, Mark, and thank you! Glorfindel Jun 2013 #30

And I agree with you old friend. Mark speaks for those of us who understand who our allies are Rowdyboy Jun 2013 #74

Same here, Rowdyboy! Us Mississippians need to stick together. Glorfindel Jun 2013 #94

Way to go, Dude. Way to go! nt MrScorpio Jun 2013 #34

Excellent on you! � 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #44

Some people call that a part of the 1st Amendment, but what are you gonna do. n/t Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #48

Yep ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #49

Power concedes nothing without a demand. ~Frederick Douglass Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #50

True ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #52

Frederick Douglass was also one who didn't cede his platform to hecklers. onpatrol98 Jun 2013 #80

LGBTQ people suffer from inequal rights and this is unacceptable in any form. I'm sure that Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #81

Frederick Douglass onpatrol98 Jun 2013 #85

You are correct, I cannot surmise his reaction, however I hope the gist is taken. n/t Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #89

I get the gist of it...but, I always got the gist of it. onpatrol98 Jun 2013 #92

Well said. And you made some great points. BenzoDia Jun 2013 #56

Great point about executive orders treestar Jun 2013 #60

Thanks mark! Cha Jun 2013 #64

An immature self promoter got treated as she deserved. alphafemale Jun 2013 #65

Apparently, you're not alone Mark. Amanda Turkel reports that Ms. Sturtz was.... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #66

Spot on, Mark! After thinking about it for a while I've concluded Strutz wanted her 15. alp227 Jun 2013 #67

Topical and in public DevonRex Jun 2013 #71

Dan Choi was mercilessly crucified right here on DU ruggerson Jun 2013 #87

Glad to hear your perspective. Thanks for sharing it. Number23 Jun 2013 #77

K & R Scurrilous Jun 2013 #100

The couple who hosted the party... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #106

When no one can hear what you are saying. jwirr Jul 2015 #110

I'm not exactly sure what your comment means . . . markpkessinger Jul 2015 #111

Your post was used as a link on another post commenting on the BLM protest at NN. The new jwirr Jul 2015 #112

Thanks for clarifying . . . markpkessinger Jul 2015 #113