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270. The ways in which men debase and disempower women are immense...

Reply to Kurska (Reply #268)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:42 PM

Jun 2013

and often very minute.

I cannot offer you examples of your life. I do not live it so I could not know.

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Fuck the High Road: The Upside of Sinking to Their (Misogynist) Level [View all] WilliamPitt Jun 2013 OP

Ignoring misogynists is not the right thing to do. Zoeisright Jun 2013 #1

Sure this will go well. On a website that thinks feminists boston bean Jun 2013 #2

Incorrect, not all feminists on DU... Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #4

Cool story, bro. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #5

Riggghhhtt... Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #10

Devastating, fact-based, empirically sound rejoinder. nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #12

Considering your 1st response was entirely fact-free, how else should I respond? Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #13

Because many anti-feminists have made the same bullshit accusation geek tragedy Jun 2013 #14

Again, spouting a bunch of talking points, doesn't make the fact you've got a small group of Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #16

The only cartoon feminists are in your imagination. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #18

If thats your best example, espeically with who I was talking with Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #21

Given that you explicitly endorsed rape porn geek tragedy Jun 2013 #24

Seriously...thats the best you can do? Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #28

you said you liked a picture that promoted violence against women. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #29

Comprehension is a skill bourne of practice...See #24 Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #30

Again, you are supremely unqualified to judge feminist credentials, and geek tragedy Jun 2013 #31

Ah the "strawman argument...I was wondering when that would come up Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #32

I did. And you proved her right. Juries hid the wrong comments. nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #35

You have just had your ass handed to you in this thread. Sheldon Cooper Jun 2013 #36

Reality free as usual :) Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #43

Have you once in your entire DU posting history discussed feminism, feminists, geek tragedy Jun 2013 #51

"Have you once in your entire DU posting history...." thucythucy Jun 2013 #130

It's amazing, they claim to be in touch with how the vast geek tragedy Jun 2013 #133

Look at this BainsBane Jun 2013 #167

A real charmer. nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #168

Not particularly. I provided plenty of evidence, as have others here. Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #136

So post a link to a thread wherein thucythucy Jun 2013 #137

Again, I'm talking with Freeper mind set. Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #139

So your answer is no, you can't point to a single post thucythucy Jun 2013 #184

You have provided zero evidence that you oppose misogyny, violence geek tragedy Jun 2013 #138

So why should I care if you do? Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #140

That you don't take the concerns of feminists seriously has geek tragedy Jun 2013 #141

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #142

The fact that you use language like "real feminists" indicates geek tragedy Jun 2013 #144

Again your credibility to make judgmental statements concerning my level of Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #145

Your behavior here is exactly that of a man who enjoys baiting women geek tragedy Jun 2013 #163

Ooooooooooooooo! "Shrieking". Now you're pulling out the heavy artillery. BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2013 #214

You have just had your ass handed to you in this thread. AlbertCat Jun 2013 #54

You're awfully kind to assume that was sarcasm, but that poster geek tragedy Jun 2013 #72

to assume that was sarcasm AlbertCat Jun 2013 #77

Obvious if from someone who doesn't like to bait and antagonize women. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #78

Your posts are the only thing obvious. October Jun 2013 #109

You're posts are the only thing obvious. AlbertCat Jun 2013 #111

I know the difference between "you're" and "your." October Jun 2013 #217

I know the difference between "you're" and "your." AlbertCat Jun 2013 #234

"you're" BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2013 #208

I know. Thank you, though. October Jun 2013 #218

oh, I was replying to Mr. Ito, not you! BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2013 #228

I do not recall seeing this picture before... slor Jun 2013 #50

Ford motors felt the same way and fired the agency. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #52

^^^This^^^. Wish I could rec your post to infinity - n/t CharlesInCharge Jun 2013 #283

well then mercuryblues Jun 2013 #68

Real feminists don't talk back BainsBane Jun 2013 #170

Speaking of cartoons - did you know that it's very common that internet trolls can't spell? Matariki Jun 2013 #102

"born" BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2013 #207

Holy Crap! In_The_Wind Jun 2013 #223

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #61

The whining about 'misandry' is really childish. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #62

Or reverse racism. nt sufrommich Jun 2013 #63

or the gay mafia. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #64

or men holding doors open for women arely staircase Jun 2013 #128

give the stupid door issue a rest already geek tragedy Jun 2013 #129

So we should just ignore the several posters who do nothing but attack men? EOTE Jun 2013 #69

It is an unfortunate reality that one cannot discuss sexism and misogyny geek tragedy Jun 2013 #70

Great non-sequitor you've got there. EOTE Jun 2013 #73

The only people who see slams on "all men" are those who wish to geek tragedy Jun 2013 #74

Or, you know, people who are capable of modest amounts of comprehension. EOTE Jun 2013 #75

I don't typically take lessons on the English language geek tragedy Jun 2013 #76

Ahhh, so I'm not concise enough for you, is that it? EOTE Jun 2013 #79

You should work on your reading comprehension before geek tragedy Jun 2013 #81

Ahhh, so you continue to attack my writing style rather than anything approaching substance. EOTE Jun 2013 #82

If you would provide content and substance, I would be more geek tragedy Jun 2013 #87

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #92

No, you actually didn't provide actual words. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #93

Actually, I did, champ. It's not my fault you have such a difficult time, you know, reading and EOTE Jun 2013 #96

Gamesetmatch. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #103

Turn about is fair play, right, champ? EOTE Jun 2013 #105

Cool story, bro. nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #117

You have an intense personal dislike of these women AlbertCat Jun 2013 #80

That person's contempt for those women is evident from their own writing geek tragedy Jun 2013 #83

So calling out women who think that all men think that rape is cutesy and fun is hating women? EOTE Jun 2013 #86

This is funny. I'm gonna bet you don't have a quote from anyone geek tragedy Jun 2013 #91

I already provided it for you. You promptly ignored it. EOTE Jun 2013 #95

I don't see the word "all" in there. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #99

Again, reading really helps. I've already explained this to you. Do you need me to show you again? EOTE Jun 2013 #101

+100 Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #104

This person takes a lot of words to say .... AlbertCat Jun 2013 #108

''all men or nearly all men''. Whisp Jun 2013 #89

There you go, reading AND comprehending stuff, nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #94

Once you learn to do either, you'll be in much better shape. EOTE Jun 2013 #100

And do all men or nearly all men think that rape is "cutsey" or hilarious? EOTE Jun 2013 #98

just like not all men or nearly all men are blank blank blank Whisp Jun 2013 #110

So what's your take on post 57? thucythucy Jun 2013 #127

Now that was one perfectly stated post. thucythucy Jun 2013 #121

There are cartoon masculinists here. That's for sure. n/t Whisp Jun 2013 #67

My favorite trick is how men who do nothing but bait women geek tragedy Jun 2013 #71

Geek Tragedy wins the thread! Matariki Jun 2013 #106

Haha! Well said. Quantess Jun 2013 #226

Fact? BainsBane Jun 2013 #146

Sure, np Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #147

That you don't like what someone writes BainsBane Jun 2013 #149

Are comprehension problems catching? Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #151

The point stands BainsBane Jun 2013 #152

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #154

This exchange clarifies a post of yours BainsBane Jun 2013 #157

Yes I'm sure it does. Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #159

LOL snooper2 Jun 2013 #26

" that seems to think including all men the idea that all men are evil" sufrommich Jun 2013 #8

No. They exist here. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #22

No, they don't. You found feminists who disagree, sufrommich Jun 2013 #25

Hey, a couple of men have spoken and ex-communicated you from the ranks geek tragedy Jun 2013 #27

Laughable. No one has done. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #39

Hey, you all have even declared feminism itself obsolete. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #225

Let me list for you the characteristics of "cartoon" feminists Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #38

First, they are human beings, not cartoons. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #42

LOL! You again? In another subthread repeating the same bullshit you just said to someone else? Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #45

Jury results: Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #113

A hung jury. What a bummer. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #114

Your list of "Buzz Click's bad feminists" could apply to sufrommich Jun 2013 #65

"Bad feminists"? I never said that. Why put it in quotes? Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #116

Agreed. I think the real problem they have is distinguishing themselves LittleBlue Jun 2013 #115

You know, I find it most annoying... Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #118

Well, since you're now on the record as stating that feminism is useless, geek tragedy Jun 2013 #239

Is said that? I challenge you to provide a quote where I said anything similar. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #244

You agreed with this: geek tragedy Jun 2013 #247

Classic logical dysfunction. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #248

You agreed that "most progressive women needn't be feminists' geek tragedy Jun 2013 #250

"Most progressive women needn't be feminists because Democrats take care of the issues that matter Starry Messenger Jun 2013 #202

Seriously? DeadLetterOffice Jun 2013 #221

It's because you're a feminist LittleBlue Jun 2013 #236

You may not realize how incredibly stupid it sounds geek tragedy Jun 2013 #238

Go look at some recent polling LittleBlue Jun 2013 #240

"That tells me feminism has little to attract most women" geek tragedy Jun 2013 #242

I don't listen to Limpballs LittleBlue Jun 2013 #243

The Democratic party has those positions because of the feminist movement. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #245

That's what I'm talking about. LittleBlue Jun 2013 #246

What the hell makes you think feminism isn't about equal pay, equal access geek tragedy Jun 2013 #249

It is also about that, but let me repeat myself LittleBlue Jun 2013 #251

And who's going to lobby the Democratic party? geek tragedy Jun 2013 #252

Women voters. nt LittleBlue Jun 2013 #253

Sounds like feminism. nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #254

Not according to the polls LittleBlue Jun 2013 #255

Polls? geek tragedy Jun 2013 #256

Shock result: feminist magazine finds most women femenists LittleBlue Jun 2013 #259

How do you define "feminism?" nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #260

CBS News geek tragedy Jun 2013 #261

Seriously? part 2 DeadLetterOffice Jun 2013 #257

You're right. Apophis Jun 2013 #66

We often see that which we want to-- regardless of whether dragons exist or not. LanternWaste Jun 2013 #88

Yeah, well, about that... Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #90

Agree. I think part of it is "silence is consent" lumberjack_jeff Jun 2013 #120

+1 Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #19

One might say they have a "history." n/t Gore1FL Jun 2013 #84

A jury went 0-6 on this post. pintobean Jun 2013 #181

Were any of the comments amusing? n/t Gore1FL Jun 2013 #193

"cartoon feminists" Matariki Jun 2013 #97

You couldn't be wrong about the people your labeling cartoon feminists that broad brush all men Arcanetrance Jun 2013 #131

please be good enough to link to various threads of these cartoon feminists. three or four will do. niyad Jun 2013 #160

Nope, ALL feminists on DU are treated that way. Gormy Cuss Jun 2013 #229

The anti-feminist creeps are a minority, though a loud and obnoxious one. nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #6

They may be a minority, but I've yet to sufrommich Jun 2013 #7

Takes strict moderation policy to keep 'em out. nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #9

I guess my point is that they are a large enough minority sufrommich Jun 2013 #11

When "women's issues" = "how much do men suck?" then yes. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2013 #122

bad men suck. men who do really bad things suck. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #125

If "bad men" are a women's issue, are "bad women" a men's issue? n/t lumberjack_jeff Jun 2013 #156

of course, on an individual basis mostly. Whisp Jun 2013 #161

How can an *individual's* behavior become an issue for the entire other gender? lumberjack_jeff Jun 2013 #169

To the degree they rape, murder, sexually harass, and geek tragedy Jun 2013 #165

So you're saying that Crystal Mangum should be a men's issue? lumberjack_jeff Jun 2013 #171

I said "to the degree." False accusations of rape are an exceedingly rare occurrence geek tragedy Jun 2013 #175

She also is out on bail for murdering a guy. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2013 #183

Why Whisp Jun 2013 #189

Please post a link to such a statement thucythucy Jun 2013 #186

Or, that feminists on DU chervilant Jun 2013 #158

k and r--thank you for posting this. I have absolutely no problem engaging these woman-haters. niyad Jun 2013 #3

I really don't like that saying. KitSileya Jun 2013 #40

You know what? That's a good point ismnotwasm Jun 2013 #48

I also respect William Pitt a lot. KitSileya Jun 2013 #56

Heh! ismnotwasm Jun 2013 #60

True; they really don't seem to accomplish anything. October Jun 2013 #220

A very thoughful post & an excellent point, here: CrispyQ Jun 2013 #55

The saying is "Silence IMPLIES Consent" Hissyspit Jun 2013 #209

In other words, women are morally obligated to speak up against misogynists KitSileya Jun 2013 #230

When people witness oppressive behavior and say nothing, it gives the implication to others Hissyspit Jun 2013 #235

you change people by meeting people face to face, forming friendships, and showing them liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #15

I agree. HappyMe Jun 2013 #17

Well said. maddezmom Jun 2013 #20

Very well said! Sissyk Jun 2013 #41

But that takes two. I only ever see one side of that being denigrated here on DU. Squinch Jun 2013 #176

As always, when one breaks the "don't feed the trolls" rule, new rules kick in: Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #23

+100 Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #44

How the hell did we end up on the same side of an argument? Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #46

Good Question! Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #47

Well, it looks to me like HappyMe Jun 2013 #33

Yep LadyHawkAZ Jun 2013 #196

Interesting TED talk: Jackson Katz - Violence against women - it's a men's issue Flaxbee Jun 2013 #34

sounds excellent. BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2013 #215

Thank you Mr. Pitt ismnotwasm Jun 2013 #37

this seems like a pretty predictable reversion to the mean that galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #49

You mean feminism? ismnotwasm Jun 2013 #53

more radical second wave ideologies in my experience galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #57

Jesus your posts are comedy GOLD HangOnKids Jun 2013 #107

I'm a giver!! Nt galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #132

"men are easy to control" geek tragedy Jun 2013 #134

Errrr, they have read some of your posts and galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #162

Yes, pity me in that I see women as my equals, not my enemies, and that geek tragedy Jun 2013 #164

"Your ability to stay in character is admirable." sufrommich Jun 2013 #173

nothing inconsistent or untrue in anything i've written. galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #177

Cool story, bro! nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #178

I don't suppose it would occur to you BainsBane Jun 2013 #179

it may surprise you that i believe in true equality for everyone galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #182

I've read enough of your posts BainsBane Jun 2013 #185

well, quite educated I am...and i was replying to your statement not accusing....anyone galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #187

YOU "consult on human behavior when" you're "bored?" thucythucy Jun 2013 #188

no, think along the lines of clients who need help understanding galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #191

I don't think a statement like thucythucy Jun 2013 #194

i would agree if i wasnt so correct about the analysis....95% of the time. galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #197

And yet you come off as supremely egotistical. thucythucy Jun 2013 #198

Continuous success makes you seem arrogant and lazy because you lose the galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #201

Your arrogance is astounding. thucythucy Jun 2013 #233

Clarification request. antiquie Jun 2013 #59

Your new daughter has an awesome Dad in you!!!!. beachgirl2365 Jun 2013 #58

Especially bad in some Middle Eastern countries. nt clarice Jun 2013 #85

"...doing femnist work requires boundless optimism." CBHagman Jun 2013 #112

Wow... this thread is like a textbook example of what the article is describing. Holy smokes. (n/t) MadrasT Jun 2013 #119

So classic it should have been a set up! nt Zorra Jun 2013 #124

If you build it, they will troll, nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #126

Some things are utterly predicable BainsBane Jun 2013 #148

Gee, Thanks a lot! defacto7 Jun 2013 #205

I don't know your age BainsBane Jun 2013 #206

Oh, Sure! defacto7 Jun 2013 #213

A defensible position should be defended. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2013 #123

The debate doesn't seem to go so well when its not so one sided Major Nikon Jun 2013 #143

+1 lumberjack_jeff Jun 2013 #155

Here is the subsequent reaction to this debate BainsBane Jun 2013 #166

Horrible screenshots. KitSileya Jun 2013 #231

yes, not at all suprising BainsBane Jun 2013 #241

When one side uses rape threats, they lose, nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #237

There is a middle way Warpy Jun 2013 #135

Excellent strategy BainsBane Jun 2013 #150

Nice! ismnotwasm Jun 2013 #153

The "high road" doesn't require non-engagement. DirkGently Jun 2013 #172

Or: geek tragedy Jun 2013 #174

Oh Will, here you thought you were in the 21st century BainsBane Jun 2013 #180

I think the worst one in this thread was the talk of "cartoon feminists." Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #210

Yes, it's popular to dump on a few women BainsBane Jun 2013 #211

While it's commendable that you "would never tell another woman she wasn't a feminist", opiate69 Jun 2013 #262

Then I suggest you raise your concerns with them BainsBane Jun 2013 #263

I`m merely trying to point out that... opiate69 Jun 2013 #266

Agreed. nt duhneece Jun 2013 #219

Co-signed. nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #224

Excellent OP, excellent article. thucythucy Jun 2013 #190

Indeed BainsBane Jun 2013 #195

My sometimes strategy. RoccoR5955 Jun 2013 #192

Lewis's Law shown as true, again. KitSileya Jun 2013 #199

The problem with taking the low road is applegrove Jun 2013 #200

Very few men are not guilty of debasing women or furthering the mysogyny. Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #204

"Very few men are not guilty of debasing women or furthering the mysogyny." Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #216

Yes, very few. Arguably, simply existing as a male in society... Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #265

Simply existing as a male in society Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #267

I'm going to say this as politely as possible Kurska Jun 2013 #269

Actually, being white means being part of a priveleged class... Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #271

I don't subscribe to systems of belief that force labels on people based on their gender/race. Kurska Jun 2013 #272

I am not ascribing roles. Society ascribes roles. Myself and those like me are merely deconstructing Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #273

You seem to be saying despite the fact that I am a gay man and strong believer of gender equality. Kurska Jun 2013 #274

If you don't believe in ascribed roles, why do you feel the need to tell me you're a gay man? Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #275

Because I'm trying to emphasize to you that I have been the victim of trash you are talking about Kurska Jun 2013 #276

So you admit that your identity as a gay man carries certain negative consequences... Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #277

Yes, but I don't think every heterosexual is contributing to them simply be existing. Kurska Jun 2013 #278

It's not a matter of existing. It's a matter of participation in society. Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #279

I don't think oppression is the summation of a million tiny things that add up. Kurska Jun 2013 #280

Your concern for my mental health is duly noted, thanks. Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #281

I'd say the people responsible for anti-gay actions or politics are the people who actually do them. Kurska Jun 2013 #282

So then men as a whole deserve to be dehumanized? Kurska Jun 2013 #222

Those are your words, not mine. I am saying that very few men are not guilty... Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #264

That is why It there was question mark. Kurska Jun 2013 #268

The ways in which men debase and disempower women are immense... Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #270

That's just grotesque. sibelian Jun 2013 #258

This thread is a goddamn shitshow. Kind of sad I missed most of it. Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #203

Thank you Mr. Pitt for a fine exposé defacto7 Jun 2013 #212

I couldn't agree more!! Fuck the high road. mountain grammy Jun 2013 #227

no high road --rub their fucking noses in it dembotoz Jun 2013 #232