“She came right down in my face,” Sturtz said. “I was taken aback.”

[freshwest]

243. Well, I understand that. I don't take this place very serious anymore for that reason.

Those who have not paid attention or had an open mind to the first couple and their initiatives, well, they won't start listening now and they've made up their minds the USA is done and over with.

Constant negativity is a version of being clever and cynicism means you can never be found wrong or made mistake, since the cynic never tries anything. But has never done anything in the end, but support the status quo.

It's a good thing the future doesn't count on them, because the future has the young people we've seen being helped. These are the people are oppressed, whose survival is at stake, who they don't want to die or live miserable lives. They have the will to live and change.

The ones those who do the most snarking and attacking haven't got time for learning their needs and wants and hopes. They just don't rise to the level of gravity for them, they don't meet the patterns they find important and meaningful. So they are living in the dead past and will not be changing the world, standing aside and tossing acid at others.

They think the world and our democratic hopes are dead as they do not match up to their old visions. It reminds me of the GOP and their hysteria over changes by people they do not know and do not think can run this nation.

And they have enough time on their hands to agitate others with the bogeymen of the past. We can learn from the past, we must learn how things got how they are, but not to feel defeated. Such things can lend color and depth to our understanding. We seek patterns that are familiar, but those who are transitioning to changes with open minds are figuring out new ways to make things work.

The ones who are changing things don't need our fears. They will be defining and refining their purposes and their hearts. When I look at all these recent disasters and how people are identifying with those across the country and the world, instead of tearing down and dividing, I know that Americans are much more united and willing to work together than some people here.

We have a mixed group and I now seek to meet like minds. I am a work in progress. When I see some are stuck in their ways as I work to change my own, that is for them. I am for keeping to what works, respecting what is great that was done before, but still see great things ahead.

As far as DU, the ratfuckers can only fool those who don't have a sense of history, instead have been taken in by a slick version of history that tells them to give up and run away. Independence is one thing, giving up and then putting down others is another.

We have a mixed group, and some of our new posters are great people, just as some of our old posters are. Some will keep on shooting others down, won't see the big picture. That's their unhappiness that I won't join.

I'm glad you are here, patrice, you have a deep mind. You have learned certain disciplines I find fascinating, but I don't always understand them. See you later.