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The Problem Of Causation Goes A Little Deeper, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2013 #1
So you believe coercion can't be proven? Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #3
That Depends, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2013 #6
By the same token, the regulatory state doesn't care for the "freedom of contract' geek tragedy Jun 2013 #11
But The Point At Issue, Sir, Is Coercion, Not Freedom Of Contract The Magistrate Jun 2013 #16
In normative debates, it is perfectly acceptable to acknowledge the geek tragedy Jun 2013 #18
The Standard Urged, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2013 #24
"both sacred and profane." DirkGently Jun 2013 #128
Tis the drawback, sir, of relying upon the Ayn Rand doctrine of morality geek tragedy Jun 2013 #147
Argument By Mad-Libs, Sir, Will Not Work On Me The Magistrate Jun 2013 #154
Sir, that was the entire crux of the Lochner decision, the notion that geek tragedy Jun 2013 #156
You Swing, And Miss, Sir, Again The Magistrate Jun 2013 #162
Sir, the person is believed by the very fact that no rape charges are pressed. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #166
You Are Not Holding Up Your End Well Enough, Sir, To Hold My Interest The Magistrate Jun 2013 #168
Your surrender is accepted with humility, sir., nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #171
And there it is! opiate69 Jun 2013 #173
No, the ideas were exchanged, it just turns out that the claim that geek tragedy Jun 2013 #175
Now That, Sir, Is Funny The Magistrate Jun 2013 #177
Par for the course, Magistrate... opiate69 Jun 2013 #181
Exceptionally well said, thank you eom freeplessinseattle Jun 2013 #40
It can't be proven be simply assuming it. DirkGently Jun 2013 #12
I didn't say that. I said addiction, poverty and criminals are coercive. Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #17
Then address addiction, poverty, and criminals. DirkGently Jun 2013 #26
Men who exploit those in such circumstances need to be punished Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #29
What punishment do you plan for the Walton family? jeff47 Jun 2013 #73
Public shaming of the women, you mean. DirkGently Jun 2013 #129
See coal miners in KY. Yavin4 Jun 2013 #92
I don't think I could ever go down in a coal mine. NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #215
The Nevada brothels are not good duffyduff Jun 2013 #67
Absolutely right! nt Tumbulu Jun 2013 #127
What percentage do you feel is coercive? Scootaloo Jun 2013 #66
We never need to overlook coercion. Will making criminals out of prostitutes help? DirkGently Jun 2013 #121
Yep, "who decides" whether someone has been coerced or compelled? bemildred Jun 2013 #4
And Particularly So, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2013 #7
Okay, but then you want to assume what the "causation" is? DirkGently Jun 2013 #2
There is practically no connection between the two Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #5
If they're not connected, why do you oppose legalization ? DirkGently Jun 2013 #8
Look at the mainstreaming of porn. It has lead to an exponential geek tragedy Jun 2013 #13
That, Sir, Is A Reinhart & Rogoff Style Analysis The Magistrate Jun 2013 #21
Pornographers disagree with you. redqueen Jun 2013 #25
And I Strongly Disagree, Ma'am The Magistrate Jun 2013 #33
Search for it. Compare and contrast. redqueen Jun 2013 #37
That, Ma'am, Is Hardly The Only Element Referenced The Magistrate Jun 2013 #39
Exactly, Sir. opiate69 Jun 2013 #125
I salute you, Sir, for stamina, skill, and other virtues I would not presume to enumerate. enough Jun 2013 #36
Vanilla porn is a dying industry, sir. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #145
Faulty memory, sir. opiate69 Jun 2013 #148
Was "A2M" a genre back in the day? nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #150
There were few specific "genres" such as that back on the day.. opiate69 Jun 2013 #155
You Are Simply Wrong, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2013 #157
Sir, the example was illustrative. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #158
Not Just Mere Special Pleading On Your Part, Sir, But A Poor Job Even Of That The Magistrate Jun 2013 #163
Sir, I have no advocated banning said practices or their portrayal geek tragedy Jun 2013 #170
Many Do Suppose Their 'Ick...' To Be Moral Absolute, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2013 #174
Sir, I believe your argument was incomplete, in that in addition to lumping geek tragedy Jun 2013 #178
You Are Indeed, Sir, Working In A Long Tradition.... The Magistrate Jun 2013 #180
Sir, we simply disagree as to whether criticizing degradation and misogyny geek tragedy Jun 2013 #182
No, Sir: You Make It Obvious You Use His Tactics The Magistrate Jun 2013 #183
Sir, I did not think you capable of this great of a fail. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #184
I Am Capable Of a Great Deal You Probably Do Not Suspect, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2013 #185
Sir, tis true that I choose not to turn a blind eye geek tragedy Jun 2013 #186
Therefore banning porn would eliminate exploitation? DirkGently Jun 2013 #30
Banning porn is a nonstarter for any number of reasons, the Internet geek tragedy Jun 2013 #146
The utopian safe, clean, regulated, even unionized blah, blah, blah brothels Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #14
Too add on to your prediction MattBaggins Jun 2013 #32
Depends how you legalize it. jeff47 Jun 2013 #81
You can say THAT again, Walt. Honeycombe8 Jun 2013 #9
What little girl dreams of working at Wal-Mart or McDonalds? jeff47 Jun 2013 #83
That's ridiculous. nt Honeycombe8 Jun 2013 #195
Then explain how it's different. jeff47 Jun 2013 #197
Prohibition of consentual adult activity has never worked Major Nikon Jun 2013 #10
to ignore the circumstances that deliver individuals to the sex trade is abhorrent Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #19
Your argument is little more than an emotional one Major Nikon Jun 2013 #22
If something is exploitative, why the hell would you legalize it? Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #31
If something is not exploitative, why the hell would you illegalize it? Major Nikon Jun 2013 #46
Are you willing to err on the side of it being universally unexploitive? Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #49
I'm pretty sure the current approach is not working Major Nikon Jun 2013 #52
Is the current approach to armed robbery working? Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #53
If the aim is to eliminate robbery, then emphatically, no, it's not working opiate69 Jun 2013 #78
so, given that robbery can't be eliminated, should it them be unpunished? Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #89
Of course not. opiate69 Jun 2013 #93
Robbery is consensual? (nt) jeff47 Jun 2013 #85
Is "I need to do this for my next hit" actually consensual? Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #87
Well, every day I say "I need to do this to feed my family". jeff47 Jun 2013 #97
Can you direct me to the pig farm with a mass grave of Java developers? Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #126
If you think the potential danger is the reason to ban it jeff47 Jun 2013 #141
and you think the archetypical street walker is going to find work in a brothel? Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #153
Why not? jeff47 Jun 2013 #161
"where do you think "legal" brothels in Europe get their women? Accountemps?" redqueen Jun 2013 #27
They only acknowledge what is convenient to either they personal ends or permissive ideology. Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #35
You raise a good point Major Nikon Jun 2013 #42
Given the whole Tyrell Replicant business didn't really work out... Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #44
The sex industry actually emcompasses millions of workers Major Nikon Jun 2013 #50
So why go to the trouble of trafficking? Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #55
Surely It is Not All Foreigners Involved In The Evil, Sir? The Magistrate Jun 2013 #59
Absolutely there are, but why go to the trouble? Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #61
Yet You Went Directly To The Swarthy And the Yellow, Sir.... The Magistrate Jun 2013 #65
I think you have missed the point, Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #69
You Seem To Have Missed A Thing Or Three As Well, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2013 #70
Dark outsiders? Purity? I think I have missed more than that. Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #75
Again, Sir: The Subject 'Makes You Lose Your Shit' As You Said Above The Magistrate Jun 2013 #79
Why not answer the question instead, Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #82
Your Thought Processes Here Interest Me, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2013 #84
My Thought Processes? Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #88
The Reference To Toes Escapes Me, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2013 #91
You are just hilarious when you are stumped, Sir. bettyellen Jun 2013 #211
It's a distraction. redqueen Jun 2013 #77
Is that maybe because we make it a criminal offense joeglow3 Jun 2013 #167
The "abortion 'industry'"?!?!?!?! redqueen Jun 2013 #189
Yes. I used that term on purpose. joeglow3 Jun 2013 #193
For the same reasons non sex workers are trafficked I reckon Major Nikon Jun 2013 #68
Ofcourse most of them are American, but still - why bother? Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #71
So far your line seems to be status quo Major Nikon Jun 2013 #98
If "victimizing by force of law" means arrested men who patronize prostitutes... Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #122
Evidently you don't think it's possible for the transaction to be consensual Major Nikon Jun 2013 #131
If you want to try hanging that around my certified Dudebro™ neck, go for it. Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #133
I understood you to say that prostitution = rape Major Nikon Jun 2013 #135
I don't think that statement is obtuse, Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #136
It's either consensual or it isn't Major Nikon Jun 2013 #137
and I believe a sex act performed out of addiction, poverty or criminality isn't. Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #152
Then you believe it is rape Major Nikon Jun 2013 #176
And this is different from statutory rape how exactly? Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #198
Thanks for hanging that on my dudeneck Major Nikon Jun 2013 #199
I said no such thing, I think this is mostly ideological Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #200
Evidently your definition of consent takes on different meanings depending on context Major Nikon Jun 2013 #201
Many things take on different meanings depending on context Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #202
In this case, only to the subliterate Major Nikon Jun 2013 #203
Suggest that defense to whats-her-face in Florida Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #204
... Major Nikon Jun 2013 #205
Where is the logical fallacy? Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #206
I'm not going to debate nonsense Major Nikon Jun 2013 #207
So the idea that consent is subject to context is nonsense to you? Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #208
The word "consent" has one meaning to those who are fully literate Major Nikon Jun 2013 #209
If you want to feign ignorance, more power to you. Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #210
You failed to mention exactly the alleged ignorance I was alleged to have feigned Major Nikon Jun 2013 #212
You seem ignorant of the fact the dictionary is not the penal code of any land Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #213
Now you're just being disingenuous Major Nikon Jun 2013 #216
It's not an "industry." treestar Jun 2013 #105
If my job stopped paying me tomorrow, I wouldn't show up for work Major Nikon Jun 2013 #114
Then there should be no problem with people choosing to go down into treestar Jun 2013 #116
If one ignores the false dichotomy you just presented... Major Nikon Jun 2013 #118
Where do you think Wal-Mart and McDonalds get their employees? jeff47 Jun 2013 #86
Do you believe the construction industry should be shut down? brooklynite Jun 2013 #15
Reductio ad absurdum Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #20
But It Is Not Absurd, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2013 #38
It is completely absurd, Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #43
Unfortunately, Sir, You Are Wrong The Magistrate Jun 2013 #47
The only fallacies here are yours and others false equivalencies Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #51
The Subject 'Makes You Lose Your Shit', Sir, As You Said Above The Magistrate Jun 2013 #54
Forgive me, I react strongly to enablers of sexual exploitation. Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #56
Sounds Like Answering One Of Those 'What Is Your Biggest Flaw?' Questions At A Job Interview, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2013 #58
It probably would come across better than "I talk like Rumpole of the Bailey" Sir... Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #60
I Doubt It, Sir.... The Magistrate Jun 2013 #62
How do you define "employment" joeglow3 Jun 2013 #165
They are making buildings useful to society treestar Jun 2013 #106
The massive number of prostitutes would imply the same jeff47 Jun 2013 #111
The constant refrain that it's always been around is a pathetic dodge. redqueen Jun 2013 #23
I live somewhere where it's legal and that's not true Violet_Crumble Jun 2013 #64
Your claims sound very much like those made before the UK prostitution sweep in 2002-ish. jeff47 Jun 2013 #94
K&R MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #28
Environment, talent and poverty constrains our choices. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2013 #34
Now that is a big leap, Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #41
Many people's circumstances and conditions constrain their choices to an even greater degree than me lumberjack_jeff Jun 2013 #48
So, if one of your students or patients ends up on the street and in that position Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #57
My participants make their own choices. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2013 #74
You lost me at "libertine". backscatter712 Jun 2013 #45
+1 Le Taz Hot Jun 2013 #139
I can only quote Justice Potter Stewart - I know it when I see it riderinthestorm Jun 2013 #63
According to your argument, I am coerced to go to work every day. jeff47 Jun 2013 #72
People on welfare are required to search for work gollygee Jun 2013 #76
They are required to search, they don't have to accept any offer. jeff47 Jun 2013 #96
omg treestar Jun 2013 #101
And not everyone would rank those above "making enough money to eat". jeff47 Jun 2013 #103
Allowed? treestar Jun 2013 #104
Even with a safety net, people will select that profession jeff47 Jun 2013 #108
Because it's dangerous treestar Jun 2013 #115
So are a ton of other jobs. jeff47 Jun 2013 #142
And we try to make coal mining illegal, don't we? treestar Jun 2013 #143
All of the problems you cite would be reduced by legalization. jeff47 Jun 2013 #144
Why? Is sex itself inherently degrading? opiate69 Jun 2013 #109
Selling it to strangers is wonderful? treestar Jun 2013 #113
Oh, I'm sure there's a difference.. opiate69 Jun 2013 #117
It doesn't have to do with any prudery treestar Jun 2013 #119
OK, so it's the financial component that makes it exploitative... opiate69 Jun 2013 #120
It's so personal treestar Jun 2013 #138
Because we don't see a difference. LadyHawkAZ Jun 2013 #159
As usual, my dear LadyHawk, you say what I was trying to, exponentially better! opiate69 Jun 2013 #172
Because not everyone shares your values joeglow3 Jun 2013 #164
we currently have a military draft, it's just economic markiv Jun 2013 #80
"that some tragic series of events probably delivered a given individual to the sex trade." Yavin4 Jun 2013 #90
Very well said. And to all those equating prostitution and working at Walmart, Squinch Jun 2013 #95
Then explain it. jeff47 Jun 2013 #99
Are you still out there kidding yourself? Squinch Jun 2013 #188
So your goal is just to insult then? jeff47 Jun 2013 #196
Well ok then, LadyHawkAZ Jun 2013 #192
Having read through this, it seems some actual facts are in order Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2013 #100
Facts would be nice... opiate69 Jun 2013 #107
Hmm. Lemme see if I've got this straight. Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2013 #190
Oh, so my numbers are a "low end"... opiate69 Jun 2013 #194
Yeah, it'll never be convincing that it is actually a free choice of profession treestar Jun 2013 #102
Psst. Some prostitutes are men. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2013 #110
Them too. treestar Jun 2013 #112
"the absence of all coercion" = no such thing. to live in the wild is to live under coercion, & to HiPointDem Jun 2013 #123
You never took philosophy did you, Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #124
why don't you just address the post with your philosophy HiPointDem Jun 2013 #134
This is true. Legalization carries a LOT of potential problems Canuckistanian Jun 2013 #130
The whole point of legalization, be it of drugs, or of prostitution, is harm reduction. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #149
The only thing creepy here is the voyeuristic obsession with LittleBlue Jun 2013 #132
I saw something nasty in the woodshed! Safetykitten Jun 2013 #140
Good question. The authoritarianism is leaving a hell of a stench! backscatter712 Jun 2013 #151
Your body, your choice. Period. The Straight Story Jun 2013 #160
We live in a capitalist society where everything is for sale except sex Taverner Jun 2013 #169
I do hear you Skittles Jun 2013 #179
People keep analogizing the sex trade to the drug trade. redqueen Jun 2013 #187
Demand is ALREADY criminalized. NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #214
Texas delivers justice Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2013 #191
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