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23. So much crap science uses the "ER" approach: Find what you're looking for...

Fri Feb 10, 2012, 06:56 PM

Feb 2012

...and conclude whatever you wanted in the first place.

Various anti-drug organizations have done this for years. They review the records of emergency room intakes, and find those who used ____________, then conclude, post hoc ergo propter hoc, that substance_____________ caused whatever problem they point to. Left aside are indications for meth, Heroin, Cocaine and -- the Big One -- alcohol use.

There are studies which evaluate the effect of pot smoking -- and nothing BUT pot smoking -- on driving tests. Beyond the "common sense" rationales, does anyone know the outcomes of these studies?

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Don't smoke pot, drive -- you're twice as likely to crash [View all] BlueToTheBone Feb 2012 OP

Oh, MAMA! This is going to be GREAT! Dreamer Tatum Feb 2012 #1

Pass some over... stevenleser Feb 2012 #5

personally, at home fine. on the road no. In the air, no. I dont want roguevalley Feb 2012 #13

You don't really think very highly of your fellow DUers, do you... Electric Monk Feb 2012 #8

On the contrary, I love a good weed thread. nt Dreamer Tatum Feb 2012 #9

There are worse alternatives to weed and weed threads most certainly ;o). PufPuf23 Feb 2012 #60

ROFL!! That is EXACTLY what I said when I saw this!! renie408 Feb 2012 #38

I know I'm a bit late to the party, but fishwax Feb 2012 #51

My jaws are sore with BlueToTheBone Feb 2012 #71

Just hire a driver like I did. Plus you get to stretch out in the back seat and stuff. Fuzz Feb 2012 #2

No shit. TheWraith Feb 2012 #3

is this controversial Enrique Feb 2012 #4

Just wait for the Sample of One crowd to show up. Dreamer Tatum Feb 2012 #6

I've smoked weed every hour since 1914, when I wasn't shooting up... Noodleboy13 Feb 2012 #18

that would be me, but I don't extrapolate to include everyone else DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2012 #28

before I drive, I smoke a bowl fascisthunter Feb 2012 #48

depends on the person like everything else...75 year old gramma or 18 year old son shouldn't snooper2 Feb 2012 #78

My mentality is you should not do any types of drugs or alcohol while driving LynneSin Feb 2012 #7

People shouldn't drive if they don't truly understand the rules of the road. kestrel91316 Feb 2012 #24

Nice add! LynneSin Feb 2012 #29

Hopefully their next study will RedstDem Feb 2012 #10

Anyone have the figures for driving while on prescription narcotics? tridim Feb 2012 #11

Shouldn't this be a "duh"? LadyHawkAZ Feb 2012 #12

Took the words right outta my mouth! piscesnewmoon Feb 2012 #67

Did this "study" confirm the use of other substances? Like alcohol? nt SteveW Feb 2012 #14

Wow. Took 'til post #14 for someone to show up....I wonder if it's msanthrope Feb 2012 #17

So much crap science uses the "ER" approach: Find what you're looking for... SteveW Feb 2012 #23

That is a good point. Lasher Feb 2012 #59

I'm pretty sure you could guess that even if you were stoned. n/t LoveIsNow Feb 2012 #15

doesn't the "marijuana test" only test for the metabolites, from use up to *weeks* before the test? eShirl Feb 2012 #16

That is correct. And they sampled by self reporting or blood tests. EOTE Feb 2012 #22

but these people self-reported a 3 hour time frame RainDog Feb 2012 #30

self-reporting has its own problems, of course eShirl Feb 2012 #32

this confirms another study RainDog Feb 2012 #33

Now that would put the end to the BlueToTheBone Feb 2012 #72

Pot really opens someone up for DUI flexnor Feb 2012 #19

drive sober mdmc Feb 2012 #20

Days after smoking pot, you are sober. But not on a drug test. nt SteveW Feb 2012 #25

true mdmc Feb 2012 #35

I only smoke pot in the privacy of my own home, generally right before bed. kestrel91316 Feb 2012 #21

I hear you. Green Cross/Green Shield. nt SteveW Feb 2012 #26

I used pot to quit smoking tobacco. ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #56

I used pot just so I wouldn't start smoking tobacco. TexasTowelie Feb 2012 #83

Actually, it depends on your tolerance level DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2012 #27

What the fuck is the point of this? theaocp Feb 2012 #31

The tortured logic of the marijuana advocate Dreamer Tatum Feb 2012 #34

Are you ok with that hypocrisy? theaocp Feb 2012 #36

So you are NOT in favor of legalization. nt Dreamer Tatum Feb 2012 #37

Perhaps I wasn't clear enough. theaocp Feb 2012 #40

Not much room there for confusion fascisthunter Feb 2012 #46

put the big bong down, dudester. You're not making any sense. provis99 Feb 2012 #50

Here's a strategy or three for you. theaocp Feb 2012 #53

Peace, Love, Dope, Man! provis99 Feb 2012 #54

Does it hurt living with a mind unable to make a logical argument? EOTE Feb 2012 #75

Peace Out! BlueToTheBone Feb 2012 #73

LOL. The tortured logic of a single-source believer. tabasco Feb 2012 #47

Unfortunate that everything is seen as having an angle. Quantess Feb 2012 #61

Much like studies illustrating that driving while intoxicated are to make people reiterate... LanternWaste Feb 2012 #80

I do have an opinion that is not validated by this, yes... theaocp Feb 2012 #94

"...reiterate the concept that bud should remain illegal?" That's it. nt SteveW Feb 2012 #81

Wow, stay oh so classy with your language, dear chap... yup its me Feb 2012 #86

When you can't argue the message, no matter how it's presented, theaocp Feb 2012 #93

Peace Out, Pal, BlueToTheBone Feb 2012 #88

It's ok though because you'll only be going 5mph NightWatcher Feb 2012 #39

Bill Hicks FTW n/t theaocp Feb 2012 #41

LOL...hahahahaha fascisthunter Feb 2012 #42

okay I will call bullshit the other one Feb 2012 #43

I had always heard that pot didn't make you drive worse, Vattel Feb 2012 #44

that's a shame fascisthunter Feb 2012 #45

okay here are some studies that disagree the other one Feb 2012 #49

Never crashed sylvi Feb 2012 #52

And 3X as likely to see military helicopters overhead in the middle of LA pinboy3niner Feb 2012 #55

Well - duh! Taverner Feb 2012 #57

Well no fucking shit. I say this as a former Super-Toker. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2012 #58

As a current super toker, I agree Taverner Feb 2012 #65

And here is a study by the DOT which refutes that. renie408 Feb 2012 #62

I read that study, and part of it makes sense Taverner Feb 2012 #66

good point ... How many were also drinking? ThomThom Feb 2012 #74

no, man, pot ENHANCES your reaction and driving skills - dude, 'they' are lying to you... Zax2me Feb 2012 #63

in my younger/stupid days... Maine-ah Feb 2012 #64

Don't 'anything' drive that would even slightly... Tikki Feb 2012 #68

It seems to me that DRIVING is the problem. babydollhead Feb 2012 #69

Driving just isn't that safe to begin with killbotfactory Feb 2012 #70

I have NEVER crashed a vehicle while high. AngryAmish Feb 2012 #76

Kind of obvious, isn't it? Jennicut Feb 2012 #77

Most of the collisions I've seen or been involved with raouldukelives Feb 2012 #79

i call bullshit on this. I drive safer while high. Slower, more alert whats around me, etc n/t JesterCS Feb 2012 #82

Don't let this happen to you deutsey Feb 2012 #84

That study has to be bullshit - one reason ArcticFox Feb 2012 #85

my age is 71....born in 41../been stoning forever/not one crash yet... opihimoimoi Feb 2012 #87

reefer madness in all itself idiocy fascisthunter Feb 2012 #89

LOL, Come, we go from here to "WHEEEeeeeeeewwwwwww" like the piggie in the Ads opihimoimoi Feb 2012 #90

I am more than half your age fascisthunter Feb 2012 #91

Watch out for them GOPer assholes...they will bust ya if given 1/2 the op....but, yes, the smokes opihimoimoi Feb 2012 #92