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Savannahmann

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15. But then there are the conversations that they do mark you for additional scrutiny

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 08:13 AM

Jun 2013

"I can't believe Guantanamo Bay is still open"

"Can you believe another drone strike? What is this a video game to these people?"

"Are you going to the protest next week to try and stop the war in Syria?" (Assuming one gets fired up which is a pretty safe assumption. If not, just any old protest will do)

The idea of the PATRIOT ACT and these grab all the conversation systems absolutely violates the 4th, 5th, and 6th Amendments. Those are the ones that are supposed to protect you.

I suppose we come from two different points of view. You trust the Government and the Police. I do not, despite having our guy at the top, it is plain that the Government continues to operate like it did under Bushco. Take what they want, do what they want, and to hell with the consequences. If they are caught, then they'll pass legislation making it legal retroactively.

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Woke up this morning to find out the Government has my phone records... [View all] trumad Jun 2013 OP

We incrementally find ways to justify this too Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #1

Don't worry. be happy. it's a democratic administration so cali Jun 2013 #2

Good point. We are democrats and must suport our president. In fact... leeroysphitz Jun 2013 #3

splendid idea, sport! cali Jun 2013 #6

I would too but I'm Verizon so I'm cool! East Coast Pirate Jun 2013 #67

Should you be worried? blueamy66 Jun 2013 #4

My sister and I used to talk badly about Newt Gingrich on purpose... Phentex Jun 2013 #7

Is this a serious post? Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #8

no, it's not a serious post blueamy66 Jun 2013 #123

On the other hand... Bonobo Jun 2013 #9

What you just described is your Terrorism Quotient (TQ), goes with IQ into your permanent record leveymg Jun 2013 #51

Of course. It is what computers do well. Bonobo Jun 2013 #82

My attitude to this is "I know that you know that I know about you," so move on to real terrorists leveymg Jun 2013 #107

But then there are the conversations that they do mark you for additional scrutiny Savannahmann Jun 2013 #15

Awww the old if you don't have anything to hide meme... trumad Jun 2013 #18

Anyone who has nothing to hide should be suspect Generic Other Jun 2013 #27

I hear people who commit violent crimes sometimes shower to wash away evidence. GoneFishin Jun 2013 #46

I'll be showering later on today dlwickham Jun 2013 #126

I usually sneak in with ice water and make my hubby scream Generic Other Jun 2013 #132

actually I won't be showering dlwickham Jun 2013 #134

Hope you get that fixed soon! Generic Other Jun 2013 #137

Who cares? usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #55

^^^This^^^ riqster Jun 2013 #87

Oooh, that hurt blueamy66 Jun 2013 #138

If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about, right? Ed Suspicious Jun 2013 #60

I just threw up. WilliamPitt Jun 2013 #72

why?? blueamy66 Jun 2013 #124

My thoughts exactly HockeyMom Jun 2013 #78

Do you know everyone your family members call? cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #106

Don't know about you. MynameisBlarney Jun 2013 #83

a recipe for fascism temmer Jun 2013 #95

And then there's the people who have phone sex with their boyfriends/girlfriends. Neoma Jun 2013 #101

And how much do you think it costs to cast a human glance at all those records? JDPriestly Jun 2013 #103

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #112

Naive yes marions ghost Jun 2013 #114

yeesh fishwax Jun 2013 #121

Well, of course we shouldn't care. We were just being hysterical when we got all excited back when sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #122

Well, let's play that out :) Babel_17 Jun 2013 #127

Notes from The Underground: The Merry Tipster Generic Other Jun 2013 #133

yours is a natural reaction, blueamy66 Skittles Jun 2013 #130

AND...they know where you live, where you work, what you eat, where you eat...etc. etc. etc. aristocles Jun 2013 #5

They told us about it before. zeemike Jun 2013 #71

They are not recording conversations. The records include only phone numbers. randome Jun 2013 #10

But now they know where you live! ucrdem Jun 2013 #11

ROFL alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #41

And location. Tracking a persons movements can tell you a lot. dkf Jun 2013 #31

Yeah, well, they could look me up in the phone book, too. randome Jun 2013 #32

WaPo: Order reissued routinely every 90 days since 2006 dkf Jun 2013 #33

Yeah, there is that. You're right, maybe they intend to renew it. randome Jun 2013 #35

"Oh look, Agent Smith. Dave McGarrety is apparently having an affair with Linda from Accounts" alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #44

Telephone metadata and what it can tell the authorities about you dkf Jun 2013 #48

Well, yes, of course...I was joking alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #64

If they can get all the data on you by accessing a phone number how sure are you it won't be abused? dkf Jun 2013 #70

I'm not "sure" alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #109

Whew marions ghost Jun 2013 #117

No, I don't have "high trust" alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #125

Revisions to "minimization" (storage) rules allow NSA to hold onto your data essentially forever. leveymg Jun 2013 #84

And they are not interested in the OP's conversations treestar Jun 2013 #53

They have metadata not conversation data Shivering Jemmy Jun 2013 #12

surprised? piratefish08 Jun 2013 #13

J. Edgar Hoover's wet dream. Anybody remember J. Edgar here? xtraxritical Jun 2013 #92

Given all the phone companies except Qwest served us up for surveillance purposes under Bush* hlthe2b Jun 2013 #14

I always used to frequently call conservative friends, telling them... Pholus Jun 2013 #16

The funny thingy is- everyone (not me) posts their entire life on facebook, which NEVER was private graham4anything Jun 2013 #17

Everyone has Facebook---uhh..bullshit... trumad Jun 2013 #19

Two things. 1. Not everyone posts on FB. 2. 90% of my profile is inaccurate. hobbit709 Jun 2013 #52

Puleeeze. graham4anything Jun 2013 #59

i feel sorry for you, it must be terrible to be so frightened of the outside world hobbit709 Jun 2013 #63

Why does the NRA exist? Guess your post here should be directed at 100% of every gun owner graham4anything Jun 2013 #66

Why do you have this fixation about the NRA? hobbit709 Jun 2013 #69

Precisely Sherman A1 Jun 2013 #75

You're kidding, right? RevStPatrick Jun 2013 #20

Come on--- trumad Jun 2013 #21

Warentless wiretapping and metadata collection are two different things tridim Jun 2013 #26

Of course... and no duh trumad Jun 2013 #37

You are right - this is totally blatant; We-don't-care-that-you-know-it. What's left of the Bill of byeya Jun 2013 #50

That's the old stuff RandiFan1290 Jun 2013 #22

Finally, a true scandal... kentuck Jun 2013 #23

This particular court order does not cover eavesdropping. Only phone numbers, date/times. randome Jun 2013 #24

Can you prove that this is the only court order? Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #25

Of course I can't prove other court orders don't exist. randome Jun 2013 #28

Trust is gone Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #30

it won't burnodo Jun 2013 #29

From what I read Capobvious Jun 2013 #34

BUT--- that can easily lead to listening in. trumad Jun 2013 #38

So? Aerows Jun 2013 #43

If that's what you want to believe, sure. Myrina Jun 2013 #74

wow the people making excuses for this are unbelievable! boilerbabe Jun 2013 #36

They are hypocrites and wouldn't be defending this if it were done by a repug morningfog Jun 2013 #104

With just phone records Aerows Jun 2013 #39

What if you belong to a political party...what if you want some pot, what if you ....and on and on,, trumad Jun 2013 #42

Precisely Aerows Jun 2013 #45

If the gov't is keeping such good phone records on me Generic Other Jun 2013 #40

LOL wish I could rec your response. n/t DebJ Jun 2013 #76

It's ok. A Democrat is president. Besides, if you have nothing to hide, then why worry? Safetykitten Jun 2013 #47

Yes, because we trust Obama to have this kind of power, Seeking Serenity Jun 2013 #56

might wanna Capobvious Jun 2013 #49

1st reasonable post! handmade34 Jun 2013 #54

Yeh! Can you tell us how to do that? Other than a world revolution? Zorra Jun 2013 #65

I'll draft a stern letter for my Congressman, right now. leveymg Jun 2013 #77

The National Security Agency, which is part of the Department of Defense, serves at the pleasure Nimajneb Nilknarf Jun 2013 #99

James Bamford has been telling us about this since 2002 Liberal In Texas Jun 2013 #57

And here is the list of words they are looking for. So be careful of their use. go west young man Jun 2013 #94

I assumed they were listening anyways....we all should be expecting this at all times. cbdo2007 Jun 2013 #58

Woke up this morning... Atman Jun 2013 #61

No doubt they were doing relationship/calling maps for the Tsarnaev brothers JCMach1 Jun 2013 #62

Nah. They were fully occupied with more important eavesdropping, Jackpine Radical Jun 2013 #88

don't rule out all of the above JCMach1 Jun 2013 #110

For the minority of us who do give a shit, this is still not a surprise. This is the corporations Dustlawyer Jun 2013 #68

It's ok - the Obama Admin took them. And we know they're on our side. Myrina Jun 2013 #73

A few questions: panader0 Jun 2013 #79

It did begin under Bush. There may be other court orders relating to other carriers. randome Jun 2013 #85

A private hacker with the planet's largest data center might be able to do the same thing DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #113

Google? fleabiscuit Jun 2013 #80

The govenment takes our phone calls and prosecutes JEB Jun 2013 #81

Welcome to 2005. The data mining program never went away, and never geek tragedy Jun 2013 #86

Sounds bad but people are so naive think_critically Jun 2013 #89

Agreed - disgusting! dbackjon Jun 2013 #90

Many clueless people are in "I have nothing to hide" mode. They miss the big picture. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #91

I woke up this morning and found out that The Guardian is a right wing newspaper. QC Jun 2013 #93

The good news is ctsnowman Jun 2013 #96

You do know they were forced to right? William769 Jun 2013 #97

The People get the government that they elect. Nimajneb Nilknarf Jun 2013 #98

Simply quit carrying a cell phone. JohnnyRingo Jun 2013 #100

Same here. JoeyT Jun 2013 #102

This is nothing new! peace13 Jun 2013 #105

We'd better stop the false advertisijng about being "the land of the free and home of the brave". Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #108

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #111

They need to pay RainDog Jun 2013 #115

The government is not "listening" it is recording the arthritisR_US Jun 2013 #116

We are dolphins in a sea full of tuna. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #118

This is the most apt comparison I've seen.... truebrit71 Jun 2013 #119

Excellent analogy (nt) Babel_17 Jun 2013 #129

Thank you. nt woo me with science Jun 2013 #139

yep, it's outrageous ... and pretty unsurprising given the last 12 years fishwax Jun 2013 #120

"watch what you say on your cell phones because the Government is listening" Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #128

Isn't this old news? Quantess Jun 2013 #131

Would have thunk you would have whistler162 Jun 2013 #135

Been following that advise for YEARS now nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #136

I kind of just assumed they are doing this with all telecommunications since the "Patriot" Act eShirl Jun 2013 #140