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caraher

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61. The appeal for me is that it could be far more energy efficient
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 10:14 AM
Jun 2013

If you can pump the air out of the tube for a lot less energy cost than it takes to keep pushing air out of the way for the duration of a trip, and you don't have to spend energy moving (and lifting) fuel, this can result in great energy savings over flying or high-speed rail.

I do think the construction challenges are greater than these people suggest (though at this stage I'd expect them to downplay that; you'd hate to scare off investors!). And the system would be vulnerable to all kinds of disruptions including terrorist attack, though I think the human damage that could be done is much less than attacking airliners (you can't fly one of these into a building, and each unit is so small that you're not going to kill a lot of people in a single attack; but if the system were heavily-used disruptions could be economically costly).

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Test site? Can we just put some chipmunks BlueStreak Jun 2013 #1
Well, they have pnumatic elevators. Savannahmann Jun 2013 #82
Seems like a larger version of this... Major Nikon Jun 2013 #2
hmm... nebenaube Jun 2013 #5
Sort of. The point is to eliminate air drag. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #32
I've ridden on the Maglev Major Nikon Jun 2013 #35
Which one? China and Japan have built them, and they carry millions of live passengers. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #37
The Shanghai Maglev Major Nikon Jun 2013 #45
but you could conceiveably only have a few bends, not curves... zappaman Jun 2013 #39
I'm not a physicist, so I'm not familiar with the math... backscatter712 Jun 2013 #42
Wishful thinking Rocky888 Jun 2013 #3
Elon Musk (Tesla, Solar City) is involved kristopher Jun 2013 #4
I don't think Elon Musk is involved in this. bananas Jun 2013 #49
Thanks. kristopher Jun 2013 #70
I'm not impressed with that cabin size BlueStreak Jun 2013 #6
What if they made all the seats commodes? MattBaggins Jun 2013 #24
Complimentary Depends [tm] BlueStreak Jun 2013 #30
Maybe you could get off at Denver, 15 minutes? defacto7 Jun 2013 #26
My point is that once you lock in the 5 foot diameter thing BlueStreak Jun 2013 #31
We cram ourselves into similarly sized craft when we go on road trips. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #34
You can't pull off at the next exit to take a pee break BlueStreak Jun 2013 #46
Go before you start the trip Ter Jun 2013 #89
I make two/three-hour drives all the time. Codeine Jun 2013 #56
Seriously? Never? BlueStreak Jun 2013 #58
I just go before I leave. Codeine Jun 2013 #79
Well, a lot of people do, unfortunately. BlueStreak Jun 2013 #80
Then you have, at best, about 3 minutes to find a can when you get out at the end of the trip. RC Jun 2013 #77
Looks as large as the cabin on some commuter planes. kristopher Jun 2013 #71
How long ago did the Wright brothers get off the ground ? olddots Jun 2013 #7
Woo! Mr. David Jun 2013 #8
4,000 miles per hour inside a close-fitting tube DavidDvorkin Jun 2013 #9
Perhaps it's how the Tube is lubricated formercia Jun 2013 #10
It's supposed to be a maglev system - no lubrication needed. caraher Jun 2013 #16
It will be evacuated DavidDvorkin Jun 2013 #21
4,000 miles per hour IN A VACUUM. What could possibly go wrong? BlueStreak Jun 2013 #62
This message was self-deleted by its author shawn703 Jun 2013 #67
Interesting. William769 Jun 2013 #11
Isn't breaking the sound barrier an issue? Concord was trouble prone for ever. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #12
No sound barrier to break, no air to transmit sound, no air friction to create heat pediatricmedic Jun 2013 #14
OK, sorry. So tube it a vacuum? Wow. Seems hard to maintain that also. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #22
What's that movie.... defacto7 Jun 2013 #27
Can we skip that design feature please pediatricmedic Jun 2013 #33
I am sick of these mother fucking face sucking aliens on my mother fucking tube train! longship Jun 2013 #38
Let's see... A pressurized capsule inside of a vacuum tube. Hmmm... RC Jun 2013 #78
As long as the tube was sufficiently pumped free of air... backscatter712 Jun 2013 #36
Then saying "It is a series of tubes" would make sense. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #13
This would be great to ship Shankapotomus Jun 2013 #15
The plan is to start with cargo caraher Jun 2013 #17
I don't know how they'll get around Shankapotomus Jun 2013 #19
Actually, they have a plan caraher Jun 2013 #25
....it's eternity in there.... alittlelark Jun 2013 #18
I like my Low-Speed Concept better. hunter Jun 2013 #20
What does "in the works mean"? MattBaggins Jun 2013 #23
Considering that this idea has been around quite literally for decades kentauros Jun 2013 #66
Anyone calculated the G forces of having to make quick pee stop? defacto7 Jun 2013 #28
Decelerating from 4000 mph to 0 mph in 60 seconds would generate 3.04 Gs Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #29
Worst case accident scenario. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #40
and the last moments of a passenger may sound something like defacto7 Jun 2013 #47
What are the odds of surviving a catastrophic failure in a jet? n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #50
But nature abhors a vacuum. Orrex Jun 2013 #41
That thing will have to be made of unobtainium MindPilot Jun 2013 #43
I think it can be done, just that it'll be expensive. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #44
Yep. It would be the #1 terrorist target in the US n2doc Jun 2013 #55
This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Jun 2013 #48
good old ted stevens would have loved this story sure miss him. nt oldgrowth Jun 2013 #51
10 times faster than flying for 10 times less cost? geckosfeet Jun 2013 #52
Imagining traveling from the hospital to your home... Earth_First Jun 2013 #53
i don't see the point of going from new york to los angeles in 45 minutes anymore. why the rush? HiPointDem Jun 2013 #54
The appeal for me is that it could be far more energy efficient caraher Jun 2013 #61
So Justin Bieber could tape Letterman and Leno on the same day itsrobert Jun 2013 #72
You must not have 3 kids GobBluth Jun 2013 #83
i started riding trains alone, with my sibs, when i was about 7, 2.5 hour trip we did regularly HiPointDem Jun 2013 #87
hee, I checked out a train from Tampa to Minneapolis. shoot, it's like 15 hours. GobBluth Jun 2013 #88
i like this concept.... madrchsod Jun 2013 #57
I think I saw this in a 1964 Popular Mechanix... n/t HereSince1628 Jun 2013 #59
I'm still waiting for the airplane-car that mag has been predicting for 60 years BlueStreak Jun 2013 #63
First NYC subway was pneumatic tube style Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #60
Beach Pneumatic Transit ... GMTA .... eppur_se_muova Jun 2013 #75
Something like this I think One_Life_To_Give Jun 2013 #64
I can't decide whether this idea sucks or blows. Orrex Jun 2013 #65
Having worked with Ultra-High-Vacuum systems before, this is impossible with current technology. sir pball Jun 2013 #68
My one question is: Why is it above ground? kentauros Jun 2013 #69
At that speed, you take a path around the rockies itsrobert Jun 2013 #73
You're still going to have hilly grade to navigate. kentauros Jun 2013 #74
To put this in some perspective BlueStreak Jun 2013 #81
I don't disagree at all. kentauros Jun 2013 #84
And we are talking potentially 16 times that fast BlueStreak Jun 2013 #85
Personally, I'd rather see the same engineering go into building the Space Elevator. kentauros Jun 2013 #86
4000 miles of vacuum ? Unlikely. eppur_se_muova Jun 2013 #76
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