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In reply to the discussion: Woke up this morning to find out the Government has my phone records... [View all]leveymg
(36,418 posts)84. Revisions to "minimization" (storage) rules allow NSA to hold onto your data essentially forever.
NSA call database
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The United States' National Security Agency (NSA) maintains a database containing hundreds of billions of records of telephone calls made by U.S. citizens from the four largest telephone carriers in the United States: AT&T, SBC, BellSouth (all three now called AT&T), and Verizon.[1]
The existence of this database and the NSA program that compiled it was unknown to the general public until USA Today broke the story on May 10, 2006.[1] It is estimated that the database contains over 1.9 trillion call-detail records.[2] According to Bloomberg News, the effort began approximately seven months before the September 11, 2001 attacks.[3]
The records include detailed call information (caller, receiver, date/time of call, length of call, etc.) for use in traffic analysis and social network analysis, but do not include audio information or transcripts of the content of the phone calls.
The database's existence has prompted fierce objections. It is often viewed as an illegal warrantless search and a violation of the pen register provisions of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act and (in some cases) the Fourth Amendment of the United States Constitution.
The George W. Bush administration neither confirmed nor denied the existence of the domestic call record database. This contrasts with a related NSA controversy concerning warrantless surveillance of selected telephone calls; in that case they did confirm the existence of the program of debated legality. The program's code name is Stellar wind.[4]
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
The United States' National Security Agency (NSA) maintains a database containing hundreds of billions of records of telephone calls made by U.S. citizens from the four largest telephone carriers in the United States: AT&T, SBC, BellSouth (all three now called AT&T), and Verizon.[1]
The existence of this database and the NSA program that compiled it was unknown to the general public until USA Today broke the story on May 10, 2006.[1] It is estimated that the database contains over 1.9 trillion call-detail records.[2] According to Bloomberg News, the effort began approximately seven months before the September 11, 2001 attacks.[3]
The records include detailed call information (caller, receiver, date/time of call, length of call, etc.) for use in traffic analysis and social network analysis, but do not include audio information or transcripts of the content of the phone calls.
The database's existence has prompted fierce objections. It is often viewed as an illegal warrantless search and a violation of the pen register provisions of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act and (in some cases) the Fourth Amendment of the United States Constitution.
The George W. Bush administration neither confirmed nor denied the existence of the domestic call record database. This contrasts with a related NSA controversy concerning warrantless surveillance of selected telephone calls; in that case they did confirm the existence of the program of debated legality. The program's code name is Stellar wind.[4]
http://www.cato.org/blog/nsa-surveillance-violated-constitution-secret-fisa-court-found
Its cause for concern any time government exceeds the bounds of the Fourth Amendment, but it should be truly worrying when its in the context of mass-scale spying by the NSA. Based on what little we know of the NSAs programs from public reports, a single authorization will routinely cover hundreds or thousands of phone numbers and e-mail addresses. That means that even if theres only one occasion on which the NSA circumvented the spirit of the law or flouted the Fourth Amendment, the rights of thousands of Americans could easily have been violated.
Moving from confirmed fact to mildbut I think reasonablespeculation, there is something about the peculiar phrasing of these statements worth noticing: collection carried out pursuant to the Section 702 minimization procedures. Minimization procedures are the rules designed to limit the retention and dissemination of irrelevant information about innocent Americans that might get picked up during authorized surveillance. In ordinary criminal wiretaps, it makes sense to talk about collection carried out pursuant to minimization procedures because, under the stricter rules governing such spying, someone is supposed to be monitoring the wiretap in realtime, and ensuring that innocent conversations (like a mobsters spouse or teenage kids chatting on the house line) are not recorded.
But thats not how FISA surveillance normally works. As a rare public ruling by the FISA Court explains, the standard procedure for FISA surveillance is that large amounts of information are collected by automatic recording to be minimized after the fact. The court elaborated: Virtually all information seized, whether by electronic surveillance or physical search, is minimized hours, days, or weeks after collection. (Emphasis mine.) In other words, minimization is something that normally happens after collection: First you intercept, then you toss out the irrelevant stuff. Intelligence officials have suggested the same in recent testimony before Congress: Communications arent minimized until theyre reviewed by human analystsand given the incredible volume of NSA collection, its unlikely that more than a small fraction of whats intercepted ever is seen by human eyes. Yet in the statements above, we have two intriguing implications: First, that collection and minimization are in some sense happening contemporaneously (otherwise how could collection be pursuant to minimization rules?) and second, that these procedures are somehow fairly intimately connected to the question of reasonableness under the Fourth Amendment.
Its cause for concern any time government exceeds the bounds of the Fourth Amendment, but it should be truly worrying when its in the context of mass-scale spying by the NSA. Based on what little we know of the NSAs programs from public reports, a single authorization will routinely cover hundreds or thousands of phone numbers and e-mail addresses. That means that even if theres only one occasion on which the NSA circumvented the spirit of the law or flouted the Fourth Amendment, the rights of thousands of Americans could easily have been violated.
Moving from confirmed fact to mildbut I think reasonablespeculation, there is something about the peculiar phrasing of these statements worth noticing: collection carried out pursuant to the Section 702 minimization procedures. Minimization procedures are the rules designed to limit the retention and dissemination of irrelevant information about innocent Americans that might get picked up during authorized surveillance. In ordinary criminal wiretaps, it makes sense to talk about collection carried out pursuant to minimization procedures because, under the stricter rules governing such spying, someone is supposed to be monitoring the wiretap in realtime, and ensuring that innocent conversations (like a mobsters spouse or teenage kids chatting on the house line) are not recorded.
But thats not how FISA surveillance normally works. As a rare public ruling by the FISA Court explains, the standard procedure for FISA surveillance is that large amounts of information are collected by automatic recording to be minimized after the fact. The court elaborated: Virtually all information seized, whether by electronic surveillance or physical search, is minimized hours, days, or weeks after collection. (Emphasis mine.) In other words, minimization is something that normally happens after collection: First you intercept, then you toss out the irrelevant stuff. Intelligence officials have suggested the same in recent testimony before Congress: Communications arent minimized until theyre reviewed by human analystsand given the incredible volume of NSA collection, its unlikely that more than a small fraction of whats intercepted ever is seen by human eyes. Yet in the statements above, we have two intriguing implications: First, that collection and minimization are in some sense happening contemporaneously (otherwise how could collection be pursuant to minimization rules?) and second, that these procedures are somehow fairly intimately connected to the question of reasonableness under the Fourth Amendment.
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Woke up this morning to find out the Government has my phone records... [View all]
trumad
Jun 2013
OP
What you just described is your Terrorism Quotient (TQ), goes with IQ into your permanent record
leveymg
Jun 2013
#51
My attitude to this is "I know that you know that I know about you," so move on to real terrorists
leveymg
Jun 2013
#107
But then there are the conversations that they do mark you for additional scrutiny
Savannahmann
Jun 2013
#15
I hear people who commit violent crimes sometimes shower to wash away evidence.
GoneFishin
Jun 2013
#46
And then there's the people who have phone sex with their boyfriends/girlfriends.
Neoma
Jun 2013
#101
And how much do you think it costs to cast a human glance at all those records?
JDPriestly
Jun 2013
#103
Well, of course we shouldn't care. We were just being hysterical when we got all excited back when
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#122
AND...they know where you live, where you work, what you eat, where you eat...etc. etc. etc.
aristocles
Jun 2013
#5
"Oh look, Agent Smith. Dave McGarrety is apparently having an affair with Linda from Accounts"
alcibiades_mystery
Jun 2013
#44
If they can get all the data on you by accessing a phone number how sure are you it won't be abused?
dkf
Jun 2013
#70
Revisions to "minimization" (storage) rules allow NSA to hold onto your data essentially forever.
leveymg
Jun 2013
#84
Given all the phone companies except Qwest served us up for surveillance purposes under Bush*
hlthe2b
Jun 2013
#14
The funny thingy is- everyone (not me) posts their entire life on facebook, which NEVER was private
graham4anything
Jun 2013
#17
i feel sorry for you, it must be terrible to be so frightened of the outside world
hobbit709
Jun 2013
#63
Why does the NRA exist? Guess your post here should be directed at 100% of every gun owner
graham4anything
Jun 2013
#66
You are right - this is totally blatant; We-don't-care-that-you-know-it. What's left of the Bill of
byeya
Jun 2013
#50
This particular court order does not cover eavesdropping. Only phone numbers, date/times.
randome
Jun 2013
#24
They are hypocrites and wouldn't be defending this if it were done by a repug
morningfog
Jun 2013
#104
What if you belong to a political party...what if you want some pot, what if you ....and on and on,,
trumad
Jun 2013
#42
It's ok. A Democrat is president. Besides, if you have nothing to hide, then why worry?
Safetykitten
Jun 2013
#47
The National Security Agency, which is part of the Department of Defense, serves at the pleasure
Nimajneb Nilknarf
Jun 2013
#99
And here is the list of words they are looking for. So be careful of their use.
go west young man
Jun 2013
#94
I assumed they were listening anyways....we all should be expecting this at all times.
cbdo2007
Jun 2013
#58
For the minority of us who do give a shit, this is still not a surprise. This is the corporations
Dustlawyer
Jun 2013
#68
It did begin under Bush. There may be other court orders relating to other carriers.
randome
Jun 2013
#85
A private hacker with the planet's largest data center might be able to do the same thing
DisgustipatedinCA
Jun 2013
#113
Many clueless people are in "I have nothing to hide" mode. They miss the big picture. n-t
Logical
Jun 2013
#91
We'd better stop the false advertisijng about being "the land of the free and home of the brave".
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jun 2013
#108
"watch what you say on your cell phones because the Government is listening"
Cali_Democrat
Jun 2013
#128