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alcibiades_mystery

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109. I'm not "sure"
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 11:14 AM
Jun 2013

I live in the real world. I deal in probabilities. Even if the government collected every email and web site and phone conversation I ever had, the probability that this would have any effect at all on my life are so close to zero that it's scarcely worth thinking about. And they're not doing *that.* Am I SURE? Of course not. I'm not a child, and I don't look for certainties. I am of the practical/actionable type, and here's what that tells me: 1) the US government is not going away any time soon; and yet, it is limited in all kinds of ways that paranoid fantasies about government power ignore; 2) Data collection is in its literal infancy - computer scientists and everyone else are just now discovering the true import of collecting trillions of pieces of data and running operations on giant data sets; what we've seen to date is child's-play in this regard; 3) Data collection and analysis is mostly a matter of aggregates and patterns; it remains largely unconcerned with individuals.

So, do I want "the government" doing this stuff? I really don't care that much, because it affects my life in ZERO negative ways. Do I think it can be "abused?" Of course, anything can. What do I think is mostly going on: career civil servants charged with building intelligence are doing that. I neither trust nor distrust government - it's mostly people trying to do the right thing. Frankly, I don't really care if the government knows all my associations: hell, I give that information to Mark Zuckerberg and all his advertiser clients for free, and so does mostly every else on this board.

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We incrementally find ways to justify this too Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #1
Don't worry. be happy. it's a democratic administration so cali Jun 2013 #2
Good point. We are democrats and must suport our president. In fact... leeroysphitz Jun 2013 #3
splendid idea, sport! cali Jun 2013 #6
I would too but I'm Verizon so I'm cool! East Coast Pirate Jun 2013 #67
Should you be worried? blueamy66 Jun 2013 #4
My sister and I used to talk badly about Newt Gingrich on purpose... Phentex Jun 2013 #7
Is this a serious post? Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #8
no, it's not a serious post blueamy66 Jun 2013 #123
On the other hand... Bonobo Jun 2013 #9
What you just described is your Terrorism Quotient (TQ), goes with IQ into your permanent record leveymg Jun 2013 #51
Of course. It is what computers do well. Bonobo Jun 2013 #82
My attitude to this is "I know that you know that I know about you," so move on to real terrorists leveymg Jun 2013 #107
But then there are the conversations that they do mark you for additional scrutiny Savannahmann Jun 2013 #15
Awww the old if you don't have anything to hide meme... trumad Jun 2013 #18
Anyone who has nothing to hide should be suspect Generic Other Jun 2013 #27
I hear people who commit violent crimes sometimes shower to wash away evidence. GoneFishin Jun 2013 #46
I'll be showering later on today dlwickham Jun 2013 #126
I usually sneak in with ice water and make my hubby scream Generic Other Jun 2013 #132
actually I won't be showering dlwickham Jun 2013 #134
Hope you get that fixed soon! Generic Other Jun 2013 #137
Who cares? usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #55
^^^This^^^ riqster Jun 2013 #87
Oooh, that hurt blueamy66 Jun 2013 #138
If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about, right? Ed Suspicious Jun 2013 #60
I just threw up. WilliamPitt Jun 2013 #72
why?? blueamy66 Jun 2013 #124
My thoughts exactly HockeyMom Jun 2013 #78
Do you know everyone your family members call? cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #106
Don't know about you. MynameisBlarney Jun 2013 #83
a recipe for fascism temmer Jun 2013 #95
And then there's the people who have phone sex with their boyfriends/girlfriends. Neoma Jun 2013 #101
And how much do you think it costs to cast a human glance at all those records? JDPriestly Jun 2013 #103
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #112
Naive yes marions ghost Jun 2013 #114
yeesh fishwax Jun 2013 #121
Well, of course we shouldn't care. We were just being hysterical when we got all excited back when sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #122
Well, let's play that out :) Babel_17 Jun 2013 #127
Notes from The Underground: The Merry Tipster Generic Other Jun 2013 #133
yours is a natural reaction, blueamy66 Skittles Jun 2013 #130
AND...they know where you live, where you work, what you eat, where you eat...etc. etc. etc. aristocles Jun 2013 #5
They told us about it before. zeemike Jun 2013 #71
They are not recording conversations. The records include only phone numbers. randome Jun 2013 #10
But now they know where you live! ucrdem Jun 2013 #11
ROFL alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #41
And location. Tracking a persons movements can tell you a lot. dkf Jun 2013 #31
Yeah, well, they could look me up in the phone book, too. randome Jun 2013 #32
WaPo: Order reissued routinely every 90 days since 2006 dkf Jun 2013 #33
Yeah, there is that. You're right, maybe they intend to renew it. randome Jun 2013 #35
"Oh look, Agent Smith. Dave McGarrety is apparently having an affair with Linda from Accounts" alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #44
Telephone metadata and what it can tell the authorities about you dkf Jun 2013 #48
Well, yes, of course...I was joking alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #64
If they can get all the data on you by accessing a phone number how sure are you it won't be abused? dkf Jun 2013 #70
I'm not "sure" alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #109
Whew marions ghost Jun 2013 #117
No, I don't have "high trust" alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #125
Revisions to "minimization" (storage) rules allow NSA to hold onto your data essentially forever. leveymg Jun 2013 #84
And they are not interested in the OP's conversations treestar Jun 2013 #53
They have metadata not conversation data Shivering Jemmy Jun 2013 #12
surprised? piratefish08 Jun 2013 #13
J. Edgar Hoover's wet dream. Anybody remember J. Edgar here? xtraxritical Jun 2013 #92
Given all the phone companies except Qwest served us up for surveillance purposes under Bush* hlthe2b Jun 2013 #14
I always used to frequently call conservative friends, telling them... Pholus Jun 2013 #16
The funny thingy is- everyone (not me) posts their entire life on facebook, which NEVER was private graham4anything Jun 2013 #17
Everyone has Facebook---uhh..bullshit... trumad Jun 2013 #19
Two things. 1. Not everyone posts on FB. 2. 90% of my profile is inaccurate. hobbit709 Jun 2013 #52
Puleeeze. graham4anything Jun 2013 #59
i feel sorry for you, it must be terrible to be so frightened of the outside world hobbit709 Jun 2013 #63
Why does the NRA exist? Guess your post here should be directed at 100% of every gun owner graham4anything Jun 2013 #66
Why do you have this fixation about the NRA? hobbit709 Jun 2013 #69
Precisely Sherman A1 Jun 2013 #75
You're kidding, right? RevStPatrick Jun 2013 #20
Come on--- trumad Jun 2013 #21
Warentless wiretapping and metadata collection are two different things tridim Jun 2013 #26
Of course... and no duh trumad Jun 2013 #37
You are right - this is totally blatant; We-don't-care-that-you-know-it. What's left of the Bill of byeya Jun 2013 #50
That's the old stuff RandiFan1290 Jun 2013 #22
Finally, a true scandal... kentuck Jun 2013 #23
This particular court order does not cover eavesdropping. Only phone numbers, date/times. randome Jun 2013 #24
Can you prove that this is the only court order? Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #25
Of course I can't prove other court orders don't exist. randome Jun 2013 #28
Trust is gone Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #30
it won't burnodo Jun 2013 #29
From what I read Capobvious Jun 2013 #34
BUT--- that can easily lead to listening in. trumad Jun 2013 #38
So? Aerows Jun 2013 #43
If that's what you want to believe, sure. Myrina Jun 2013 #74
wow the people making excuses for this are unbelievable! boilerbabe Jun 2013 #36
They are hypocrites and wouldn't be defending this if it were done by a repug morningfog Jun 2013 #104
With just phone records Aerows Jun 2013 #39
What if you belong to a political party...what if you want some pot, what if you ....and on and on,, trumad Jun 2013 #42
Precisely Aerows Jun 2013 #45
If the gov't is keeping such good phone records on me Generic Other Jun 2013 #40
LOL wish I could rec your response. n/t DebJ Jun 2013 #76
It's ok. A Democrat is president. Besides, if you have nothing to hide, then why worry? Safetykitten Jun 2013 #47
Yes, because we trust Obama to have this kind of power, Seeking Serenity Jun 2013 #56
might wanna Capobvious Jun 2013 #49
1st reasonable post! handmade34 Jun 2013 #54
Yeh! Can you tell us how to do that? Other than a world revolution? Zorra Jun 2013 #65
I'll draft a stern letter for my Congressman, right now. leveymg Jun 2013 #77
The National Security Agency, which is part of the Department of Defense, serves at the pleasure Nimajneb Nilknarf Jun 2013 #99
James Bamford has been telling us about this since 2002 Liberal In Texas Jun 2013 #57
And here is the list of words they are looking for. So be careful of their use. go west young man Jun 2013 #94
I assumed they were listening anyways....we all should be expecting this at all times. cbdo2007 Jun 2013 #58
Woke up this morning... Atman Jun 2013 #61
No doubt they were doing relationship/calling maps for the Tsarnaev brothers JCMach1 Jun 2013 #62
Nah. They were fully occupied with more important eavesdropping, Jackpine Radical Jun 2013 #88
don't rule out all of the above JCMach1 Jun 2013 #110
For the minority of us who do give a shit, this is still not a surprise. This is the corporations Dustlawyer Jun 2013 #68
It's ok - the Obama Admin took them. And we know they're on our side. Myrina Jun 2013 #73
A few questions: panader0 Jun 2013 #79
It did begin under Bush. There may be other court orders relating to other carriers. randome Jun 2013 #85
A private hacker with the planet's largest data center might be able to do the same thing DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #113
Google? fleabiscuit Jun 2013 #80
The govenment takes our phone calls and prosecutes JEB Jun 2013 #81
Welcome to 2005. The data mining program never went away, and never geek tragedy Jun 2013 #86
Sounds bad but people are so naive think_critically Jun 2013 #89
Agreed - disgusting! dbackjon Jun 2013 #90
Many clueless people are in "I have nothing to hide" mode. They miss the big picture. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #91
I woke up this morning and found out that The Guardian is a right wing newspaper. QC Jun 2013 #93
The good news is ctsnowman Jun 2013 #96
You do know they were forced to right? William769 Jun 2013 #97
The People get the government that they elect. Nimajneb Nilknarf Jun 2013 #98
Simply quit carrying a cell phone. JohnnyRingo Jun 2013 #100
Same here. JoeyT Jun 2013 #102
This is nothing new! peace13 Jun 2013 #105
We'd better stop the false advertisijng about being "the land of the free and home of the brave". Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #108
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #111
They need to pay RainDog Jun 2013 #115
The government is not "listening" it is recording the arthritisR_US Jun 2013 #116
We are dolphins in a sea full of tuna. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #118
This is the most apt comparison I've seen.... truebrit71 Jun 2013 #119
Excellent analogy (nt) Babel_17 Jun 2013 #129
Thank you. nt woo me with science Jun 2013 #139
yep, it's outrageous ... and pretty unsurprising given the last 12 years fishwax Jun 2013 #120
"watch what you say on your cell phones because the Government is listening" Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #128
Isn't this old news? Quantess Jun 2013 #131
Would have thunk you would have whistler162 Jun 2013 #135
Been following that advise for YEARS now nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #136
I kind of just assumed they are doing this with all telecommunications since the "Patriot" Act eShirl Jun 2013 #140
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