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In reply to the discussion: NYT Editorial Board Slams Obama On Tracking: ‘Administration Has Now Lost All Credibility’ [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)43. Here's one:
Editorial
The Eavesdropping Continues
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In a disturbing article in The Times on Wednesday, James Risen and Eric Lichtblau said that Congressional investigations suggest that the National Security Agency continues to routinely collect Americans telephone calls and e-mail messages perhaps by the millions.
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President George W. Bush started violating that law shortly after 9/11 when he authorized the N.S.A. to conduct domestic wiretapping without first getting the required warrant. When that program was exposed by The Times in late 2004, the Bush team began pressuring Congress to give retroactive legal cover to the eavesdropping operation and to the telecommunications companies that participated in it.
That finally happened in the heat of the 2008 campaign. Congress expanded FISA and gave the companies blanket immunity less than a day after the bill was introduced. We doubt if many lawmakers read the legislation. President Obama, who was still a senator at the time, voted for it, even though he had been passionately denouncing illegal wiretapping for months.
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We do not believe that Mr. Obama is deliberately violating Americans rights as Mr. Bush did, and it is to his credit that the government acknowledged part of the problem in April. But this nations civil liberties are not predicated on trusting individuals to wield their powers honorably. They are founded on laws.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/18/opinion/18thu1.html
The Eavesdropping Continues
<...>
In a disturbing article in The Times on Wednesday, James Risen and Eric Lichtblau said that Congressional investigations suggest that the National Security Agency continues to routinely collect Americans telephone calls and e-mail messages perhaps by the millions.
<...>
President George W. Bush started violating that law shortly after 9/11 when he authorized the N.S.A. to conduct domestic wiretapping without first getting the required warrant. When that program was exposed by The Times in late 2004, the Bush team began pressuring Congress to give retroactive legal cover to the eavesdropping operation and to the telecommunications companies that participated in it.
That finally happened in the heat of the 2008 campaign. Congress expanded FISA and gave the companies blanket immunity less than a day after the bill was introduced. We doubt if many lawmakers read the legislation. President Obama, who was still a senator at the time, voted for it, even though he had been passionately denouncing illegal wiretapping for months.
<...>
We do not believe that Mr. Obama is deliberately violating Americans rights as Mr. Bush did, and it is to his credit that the government acknowledged part of the problem in April. But this nations civil liberties are not predicated on trusting individuals to wield their powers honorably. They are founded on laws.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/18/opinion/18thu1.html
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NYT Editorial Board Slams Obama On Tracking: ‘Administration Has Now Lost All Credibility’ [View all]
ProSense
Jun 2013
OP
I wonder if the NY Times uses tracking cookies for its website. Wanna take bets?
Buzz Clik
Jun 2013
#1
It's not the Patriot Act that legalized this, it's the 2008 FISA Amendment which Obama voted for
leveymg
Jun 2013
#77
Oh, I don't blame Obama alone, at all. It's all three branches have had a role in putting this
leveymg
Jun 2013
#96
I agree. This is just the mild beginnings of the abuse of these unprecedented powers of state.
leveymg
Jun 2013
#98
I remember the NYT covering up Bush's illegal spying before the 2004 elections, giving him a win
Coyotl
Jun 2013
#90
Every time I buy swiss cheese, I'm reminded of what the original paper document of our
louslobbs
Jun 2013
#5
NYT lost their credibility with Judy miller, and others pushing us into a war based on a lie
still_one
Jun 2013
#9
And candidate Obama was more than happy to take the Bush Admin to task . . .
markpkessinger
Jun 2013
#68
And the NYT lost all creditability when they were cheerleading the Iraq War
Cali_Democrat
Jun 2013
#22
I was wondering when you'd show up to try to spin this away as a harmelss bit of nothing.
Skip Intro
Jun 2013
#31
Given that the NY Times broke Bush's illegal NSA program, they are probably aware that the Bush
Luminous Animal
Jun 2013
#34
That is an editiorial from 2009. It helps to know what they were editorializing about.
Luminous Animal
Jun 2013
#47
The 2008 FISA Amendment Act legalized much of Bush's NSA program, particularly "driftnet" warrants
leveymg
Jun 2013
#78
Holder has determined that throwing cancer patients in prison for smoking pot is a priority.
Warren DeMontague
Jun 2013
#57
There's an easy solution to this: Obama announces he will shut down the wiretaps.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jun 2013
#60
The NYT edited it hours later. You should apologize to ProSense for false accusations. n/t
Cali_Democrat
Jun 2013
#95
The best cartoon the NYT ever published was the one of Osama bin Laden's underground lair.
Major Hogwash
Jun 2013
#108