If you're OK with revelations of NSA snooping, you're part of the problem

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222. Not that old talking point again 'the reality based community'. It was invented to slam Liberals

with by some of those 'conservatives' you mentioned who infiltrated the Democratic Party and revealed themselves when they could no longer hide their disdain for Democrats. Are you familiar with Daily Kos btw? Quite a few 'former Republicans' including its founder, posing as Dems made their appearances as soon as they roped in enough Liberals (most of whom left when they began to understand what was going on) back in the early days. They came armed with talking points (which made them stand out like sore thumbs) such as 'reality based community' and 'concern troll' etc etc, too lame to bother listing.

Conservative DO help us win elections, but not for the reasons you seem to think. They help because the current iteration of the Republican Party is so radical that even Republicans are scared of them and many have decided to become 'democrats'. The problem is they are trying to change the Dem Party and we of course will fight hard to make sure they do not. They have their own party which they are more than welcome to try to change, it badly needs changing, but THIS party is and always was, the party of the people, though thanks to the Third Way, it is fast becoming a corporate party.

Liberals are fierce fighters, always were. Which is why they are so feared by the 'right' and their corporate bosses. But up to recently liberals were willing to give some rope to their party hoping to see what was promised during the Bush years. Now of course liberals have learned some hard facts so you can expect to see a real battle for the Democratic Party. We were lax, due to the horrors of the Bush years, but we are no ready for action to make sure that this Party remains true to its ideals and we won't be as patient was we have been with elected officials who betray those who elected them.

Dems win because of their liberal base. Many sadly have left the party and are now Independents due to the influx of Third Wayers. That 13% of Conservatives you speak of will not make up for the exodus that is taking place of those who do the work to get Democrats in power, unless we can bring them back into the party. I disagree with them leaving, this is OUR party and they should stay and fight to keep this party from being taken over by 'conservatives' imho.