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Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 09:48 AM Jun 2013

HELLO WORLD! George W. Bush illegally spied on American citizens. Read all about it. [View all]

Last edited Fri Jun 7, 2013, 10:29 AM - Edit history (1)

I cannot believe what short memories people express, or is it just blatant ignorance, about government spying on American citizens.

Facts are, you can read all about it in the DU archives, albeit a great number of the videos on YouTube has since disappeared. Frankly, Bush should have been impeached for his treasonous treatment of the U.S. Constitution. And you can read the calls for impeachment here on DU too along with the details of the crimes. Then Congress intervened and gave everyone retroactive blanket immunity. To what extent did immunity passing in Congress happen because Congress had been illegally spied upon too?

Meanwhile, today we still have Democratic senators leading the charge for change. Russ Feingold, who led the charge before, was targeted for defeat. Both my Oregon Senators are working on this as best they can under the constraints of secrecy laws imposed upon them by Congress. They too will be targeted for their actions.

Here follows parts of the best DU thread to replug your memory into those dark days of the Bush Junta's criminal and treasonous conduct:

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Deja DU: Are ALL COMMUNICATIONS routed overseas to circumvent US law and the Constitution?
Nov-09-07 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2245762

I was told years ago that ALL fiber optic communication traffic was routed overseas so that "everything" was moved outside the protections of the law and Constitution and ANYTHING could be monitored. I thought the idea quite fantastic even though it came from a very reliable source that would know exactly such things. Then, the story of the fiber optic splitters hit my radar. I now see now how easily exactly that, routing ALL COMMUNICATIONS overseas, was accomplished.

Is that Bush's and the Telecom's HUGE crime hidden and covered-up behind this story?

If the telecoms get immunity, will it aid in covering up Bush's crime.
ABSOLUTELY! That is why it is so important to the Rs! Support = obstruction of justice.

Have we arrived at the point in the history of the Bushco junta where
laws passed and people nominated are part of crimes of obstructing justice?


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AT&T Whistleblower: Telecom Immunity Is A Cover-Up
By Spencer Ackerman - Nov 7, 2007
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004662.php

Earlier today we flagged that Mark Klein, who uncovered a secret surveillance room run by the NSA while employed as a San Francisco-based technician for AT&T, is in Washington to lobby against granting retroactive legal immunity to telecommunications companies. In an interview this afternoon, Klein explained why he traveled all the way from San Francisco to lobby Senators about the issue: if the immunity provision passes, Americans may never know how extensive the surveillance program was -- or how deeply their privacy may have been invaded.

"The president has not presented this truthfully," said Klein, a 62-year old retiree. "He said it was about a few people making calls to the Mideast. But I know this physical equipment. It copies everything. There's no selection of anything, at all -- the splitter copies entire data streams from the internet, phone conversations, e-mail, web-browsing. Everything."

What Klein unearthed -- you can read it here -- points to a nearly unbounded surveillance program. Its very location in San Francisco suggests that the program was "massively domestic" in its focus, he said. "If they really meant what they say about only wanting international stuff, you wouldn't want it in San Francisco or Atlanta. You'd want to be closer to the border where the lines come in from the ocean so you pick up international calls. You only do it in San Francisco if you want domestic stuff. The location of this stuff contradicts their story .....


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NSA Monitors All Web Traffic, Says Ex-AT&T Employee

THIS VIDEO IS NOW REMOVED FROM YOUTUBE!


Does anyone have a copy of this video?

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NSA Monitors All Web Traffic, Says Ex-AT&T Employee
Tom Corelis (Blog) - Nov 10, 2007
http://www.dailytech.com/NSA+Monitors+All+Web+Traffic+Says+ExATT+Employee/article9620.htm

Felt "forced to the connect the Big Brother Machine" if he wanted to keep his job

Mark Klein, the former AT&T technician and whistleblower who helped kick off the AT&T/NSA eavesdropping scandal, clarified further details regarding what he witnessed while connecting a secret NSA eavesdropping facility: secure room 641A in AT&’s San Francisco switching center, presumably commissioned by the NSA, received copies of all the traffic its splitters were connected to, including both international and domestic e-mails, web traffic, and phone calls, both from AT&T’s customers as well as other providers.

Previous statements by the government, AT&T and President Bush indicated that the only affected communications are communications relevant to national security, like those of suspected terrorists and suspicious foreign nationals. According to Klein, however, the technology used to connect the secure room was far more democratic, consisting of simple, dumb splitters incapable of any kind of contextual filtering: essentially, room 641A received “a duplicate of every fiber-optic signal routed through facilities.”

Klein, appearing on MSNBC’s Countdown with Keith Olbermann show, told viewers about his personal association with secure room 641A. “When I was a technician, I had the engineering/wiring documents, which told me how the splitter was wired to the secret room … I had to know in order to do my job,” he said, “so I know that whatever went across those cables was copied; the entire datastream was copied into the secret room.”

Referring to the equipment itself, Klein states, “the splitter device has no selective capability, it just copies everything. .............


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Interview: AT&T Whistleblower Mark Klein on Bush's Illegal Surveillance and Retroactive Immunity
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NSA Pressured LA Times To Kill Domestic Spying Story


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How Many Illegal Wiretapping Programs Does Bush Have?


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November 5th, 2007
AT&T Whistleblower to Urge Senate to Reject Blanket Immunity for Telecoms
Press Conference on Capitol Hill on Wednesday, November 7
http://www.eff.org/press/archives/2007/11/05

Washington, D.C. - On Wednesday, November 7, at 10:30am, telecommunications technician and AT&T whistleblower Mark Klein will speak out at a press conference on Capitol Hill, explaining why he is asking lawmakers to reject immunity for telecoms who assisted the Bush administration's spying on millions of Americans.

Klein witnessed first-hand the technology AT&T built to assist the government's domestic warrantless wiretapping program at AT&T's main switching facility in San Francisco. As part of his job at AT&T, Klein connected high-speed fiber optic cables to sophisticated equipment that intercepted communications from AT&T customers and then copied and routed every single one to a room controlled by the National Security Agency (NSA). Klein has provided evidence for the Electronic Frontier Foundation's (EFF's) class-action lawsuit against AT&T for its role in the illegal spying.

"My job required me to enable the physical connections between AT&T customers' Internet communications and the NSA's illegal, wholesale copying machine for domestic emails, Internet phone conversations, web surfing and all other Internet traffic. I have first-hand knowledge of the clandestine collaboration between one giant telecommunications company, AT&T, and the National Security Agency to facilitate the most comprehensive illegal domestic spying program in history," said Klein.

Also speaking at the event Wednesday ...........


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Judge Orders Telecommunications Companies to Preserve Evidence in Government Surveillance Cases
Ruling Advances EFF's Class-action Lawsuit Against AT&T
http://www.eff.org/press/archives/2007/11/06

San Francisco - A federal judge today ruled on a preservation motion filed by the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), ordering that telecommunications companies must preserve any evidence of collaborating with the government in illegal spying on ordinary Americans.

In his ruling, U.S. District Court Judge Vaughn Walker ordered the telecommunications companies to halt any routine destruction of documents or to arrange for the preservation of accurate copies. On December 14, each party must provide the court with confirmation that the court's order has been carried out. The court order did not require the government or the carriers to reveal whether or not they had any relevant evidence.

The government and the carriers had opposed the preservation motion, claiming that the government's invocation of the state secrets privilege made it impossible to proceed with a preservation order. In litigation, parties are typically required to preserve all relevant evidence. ...


For the judge's order:
http://www.eff.org/files/filenode/att/393%20order.pdf

For more on the class-action lawsuit against AT&T:
http://www.eff.org/cases/att

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(AT&T) Mark Klein On Olbermann


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Mark Klein on Washington Journal


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ABC News: AT&T Whistle-blower - NSA Internet spying

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Copy of same here:
NSA Pressured LA Times To Kill Domestic Spying Story


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PBS FRONTLINE: Spying on the Homefront
Get the story on Frontline: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/homefront

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Democracy Now:
AT&T whistleblower against immunity for Bush spy program-1/2
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I'll absolutely take that bet Aerows Jun 2013 #1
What is the difference between illegally spying and legally spying?? kentuck Jun 2013 #2
I don't think there is a difference. Without a FISA warrant, it's unconstitutional. However... kysrsoze Jun 2013 #10
HUGE difference: You can impeach a President for illegal actions. Coyotl Jun 2013 #16
You said it! siligut Jun 2013 #26
I've got a dumb question. How is he acting to change the laws? I've heard nothing on that kysrsoze Jun 2013 #31
He is EXPANDING upon them! Don't you get it, Obama is bought and paid for just like most Dustlawyer Jun 2013 #39
It surprises me that some here didn't know Bush was doing it in 2002. blm Jun 2013 #3
I don't think that's what the objections are about. Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #5
I know, right? NYC_SKP Jun 2013 #6
And it surprises me at the Le Taz Hot Jun 2013 #7
This nt Mojorabbit Jun 2013 #17
Who said we're saying it's OK now? We're saying that we're not surprised and won't play the game blm Jun 2013 #20
Of course it is not O.K. now and wasn't before. Bush was a criminal and got away with it. Coyotl Jun 2013 #24
I was yelling then too Generic Other Jun 2013 #49
THIS ^^^^^ LovingA2andMI Jun 2013 #38
Of course he did. Hell Hath No Fury Jun 2013 #4
Pfftt, you thought wrong. Daniel537 Jun 2013 #8
Uhm no, the Democratic Party is NOT "Loaded with the same criminals who run the GOP" tridim Jun 2013 #29
Hyperbole and histrionics is all the rage, dontcha know? nt SunSeeker Jun 2013 #34
Yes because no one in our party voted for the Patriot act zeemike Jun 2013 #40
Actually, Congress continued the Bush spy program by legalizing it. You can't hang this on Obama, Coyotl Jun 2013 #12
Did he or did he not sign a -- Hell Hath No Fury Jun 2013 #18
Yup. He did sign the bill. kysrsoze Jun 2013 #32
The fuck you can't hang this on Obama DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #35
a Soviet-style program Generic Other Jun 2013 #50
Not Soviet style, and not a cold war, and not directed against US citizens Coyotl Jun 2013 #55
I was pissed off about it when Bush did it Chisox08 Jun 2013 #9
Well, that's a long way of saying WestStar Jun 2013 #11
Bush did the spying for years illegally, without a warrant. Congress gave immunity and legalized it. Coyotl Jun 2013 #13
what in fuck are you all going on about!?!? we complained about THEN boilerbabe Jun 2013 #14
Better watch out with that kind of talk... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #33
We knew about it when Bush was doing it and we talked about it on this board for months. Arkansas Granny Jun 2013 #15
What is going to happen next is Republican posturing, posing as the opponents of spying Coyotl Jun 2013 #19
This will be interesting to see siligut Jun 2013 #43
Another McCarthyite attempt to silence Generic Other Jun 2013 #51
Whistleblower: The NSA Is Lying–U.S. Government Has Copies of Most of Your Emails Coyotl Jun 2013 #21
They don't even need your emails, they've got facebook. SunSeeker Jun 2013 #36
incredible, isnt it? bunnies Jun 2013 #41
Not everyone who uses Facebook posts all of their details. ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #52
Newsflash: Bush isn't president anymore. DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #22
The FISA court isn't elected and operates under existing law. Change the law if you can Coyotl Jun 2013 #23
Obama could stop it immediately with an executive order. DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #25
Ron Wyden on NSA Spying & Secret Law = Clipped from:Senate Session Dec 27, 2012 Coyotl Jun 2013 #27
And who will take the blame? liberal N proud Jun 2013 #28
Democracy Now: "A Massive Surveillance State": Glenn Greenwald Exposes Covert NSA Program Coyotl Jun 2013 #30
No memory hole here. blackspade Jun 2013 #37
Are you trying to say that, LWolf Jun 2013 #42
Of course not. Coyotl Jun 2013 #46
If Obama did not confront LWolf Jun 2013 #48
K & R Scurrilous Jun 2013 #44
Yeah, he was terrible for liberty too Ter Jun 2013 #45
Domestic Surveillance TIMELINE, From Bush to Obama Timeline: PRISM, Total Information Awareness ... Coyotl Jun 2013 #47
Internet giants deny granting government 'direct access' to servers Coyotl Jun 2013 #53
Guardian Cover Page = WOW Coyotl Jun 2013 #54
Stop Freaking Out About the NSA Coyotl Jun 2013 #56
You are gullible if you really think the is nothing to worry about! n-t Logical Jun 2013 #57
Putting some of the freaking out into perspective is not gullibility, freakingh out is Coyotl Jun 2013 #59
What's your point? That now it's OKAY? That we should remain forever silent? WinkyDink Jun 2013 #58
Does a lenghty post seem like remaining silent to you? Coyotl Jun 2013 #60
Maybe you should try a different thread title, then. WinkyDink Jun 2013 #62
The threads title reflects the topic of the thread, of course. Coyotl Jun 2013 #63
Nothing we didn't know, but Obama should have STOPPED the practice instead of Zavulon Jun 2013 #61
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