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Savannahmann

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23. In the end, my point stands.

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 11:38 AM

Jun 2013

One man had the power to stop it. The one man we as a party got behind, and campaigned for. We can blame South Carolina for Lindsey Graham. We can blame Kentucky for Rand Paul. But each of those idiots has limited power. One man held the power to stop this in his hand. He could have Vetoed the PATRIOT ACT as he said he would. He could have stopped this and forced Congress to override his Veto. He could have used the Bully Pulpit to blast Congress for even wanting to abuse the citizens in such a way. The groudswell of public support would have lifted him to new unimaginable heights.

Instead, that one man went along, and that one man is to blame, because while most Senators, and most Representatives voted for it, only one man signed it into law.

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Why the NSA scandal belongs squarely in President Obama's lap [View all] Savannahmann Jun 2013 OP

k and r nashville_brook Jun 2013 #1

Let's see, this is now a "scandal" instead of a law, but Bush did it illegally Coyotl Jun 2013 #60

lamest conspiracy theory, ever. nashville_brook Jun 2013 #63

FACTS are not theories Coyotl Jun 2013 #69

Rut Roh!!!! nt greytdemocrat Jun 2013 #2

FULL IGNORE? Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #4

We can't ignore our President marshall Jun 2013 #54

Then after he was elected President he had that little heart-to-heart with the Defense monmouth3 Jun 2013 #3

Did the oath he took say he would side with the Defense Department? Savannahmann Jun 2013 #13

Actually he switched positions before he was elected: JaneyVee Jun 2013 #29

An interesting read. Thanks..n/t monmouth3 Jun 2013 #31

k&r Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #5

Bush was doing it illegally since 2002. Congress legalized it for him in 2006. blm Jun 2013 #6

+100 peace13 Jun 2013 #8

Trying to think of a name for becoming aware of something only when it benefits the GOP siligut Jun 2013 #22

The word you are looking for is "propaganda" Coyotl Jun 2013 #61

A special form of incubation! peace13 Jun 2013 #72

The President runs the NSA Savannahmann Jun 2013 #9

Do you KNOW that he was using it to target Americans? No. If he was showing discernment then blm Jun 2013 #14

That's the point. Savannahmann Jun 2013 #16

You're assuming. I'm willing to bet that Obama did put curbs on the program and I have never been blm Jun 2013 #19

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! woo me with science Jun 2013 #34

Sorry to disappoint you, but, I do believe Obama didn't go to the extremes Bush did blm Jun 2013 #42

I belieeeeeeeeeeeeve! woo me with science Jun 2013 #43

I'm well aware of all of that and still state that when all the documents are released we'll see blm Jun 2013 #52

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA woo me with science Jun 2013 #53

If you trust Bush-Cheney with NSA program more than Obama-Biden, you should've voted for McCain. blm Jun 2013 #55

YOU MUST WANT PRESIDENT PALIN!!!!!!! woo me with science Jun 2013 #56

just getting down to brass tacks, woo.... blm Jun 2013 #70

Thank you for compiling this list Generic Other Jun 2013 #71

Are you really unaware of the NSA Data Center being built in Utah? siligut Jun 2013 #24

Yes I am aware of it. Savannahmann Jun 2013 #25

We aren't going to argue at all siligut Jun 2013 #26

The problem is that the intel... Whiskeytide Jun 2013 #15

If that is the case, it is more than distressing. Savannahmann Jun 2013 #17

I agree. Whiskeytide Jun 2013 #21

In the end, my point stands. Savannahmann Jun 2013 #23

The really irritating thing is that I bet Rand Paul is right on this one. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #40

The Patriot Act spying didn't protect us from the Tsarnaev brothers. PADemD Jun 2013 #57

It's interesting to consider that... Whiskeytide Jun 2013 #66

This is a judiciary that operates in secret. bluedeathray Jun 2013 #35

^^^^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^^^^ pkdu Jun 2013 #51

Are you saying that President Obama should have lobbied every Congress person to overturn the .... peace13 Jun 2013 #7

President Obama didn't have to lobby Congress Savannahmann Jun 2013 #10

Yup! Obama alone has no power to repeal the law. longship Jun 2013 #12

President Obama had all the power to repeal the law. Savannahmann Jun 2013 #18

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #11

You can be against the President but... peace13 Jun 2013 #20

Bogus hide. The poster's point was 100% accurate and his reaction to the point perfectly reasonable TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #37

No, it wasn't bogus at all. Pleasantly, Surprised though in this lynch Cha Jun 2013 #78

President Obama has had time to look into this and make sure it's legal. AndyA Jun 2013 #27

Do you have any idea what would have happened if Obama did NOT use all the tools available to him... randome Jun 2013 #28

Is there any conclusive evidence that this program has prevented any attacks? AndyA Jun 2013 #32

Of course there is no conclusive evidence. Why would they announce anything like that? randome Jun 2013 #36

There's this, randome.. Cha Jun 2013 #80

We needed President Obama to follow through on what Candidate Obama promised Savannahmann Jun 2013 #33

I hear where you're coming from, really. randome Jun 2013 #38

Fuck the TeaPubliKlan outrage, where was it when 9/11 actually happened on their watch? TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #41

I don't care about their outrage either! randome Jun 2013 #44

Like the Democrats did in 2002 and then when BushCo was booted in 2004? TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #82

Well it is "legal".. so what's your point? Cha Jun 2013 #79

Saying "other guy did it too" is a piss poor excuse for spying on Americans. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #30

Indeed. Weaksauce supreme. nt Poll_Blind Jun 2013 #46

Weak is not discerning a difference between now and Bush. great white snark Jun 2013 #50

^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^^ +1000000000000000 Coyotl Jun 2013 #62

What scandal?? DCBob Jun 2013 #39

What's the scandal? alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #45

Access all the data of every customer every day for at least one phone company. morningfog Jun 2013 #59

I understand that you disagree with what was done alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #67

It's impropriety is obvious, its legality questionable. morningfog Jun 2013 #68

President Obama Defends NSA Surveillance Programs As �Right Balance� Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #76

Really? SMH Mr Dixon Jun 2013 #47

Under what authority do we address those other issues? Savannahmann Jun 2013 #64

Point taken Mr Dixon Jun 2013 #73

The Constitution applies. Savannahmann Jun 2013 #74

The truth Mr Dixon Jun 2013 #75

Scandal says you. great white snark Jun 2013 #48

yeah, he coulda picked the hard way and we'd have President Boehner right now. librechik Jun 2013 #49

So let me get this straight. Savannahmann Jun 2013 #58

lol. Sure. It would have been that simple. librechik Jun 2013 #65

Not in his lap alone, though. JoeyT Jun 2013 #77

Fox Noise pundits are concerned about all this spying. Turbineguy Jun 2013 #81