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MineralMan

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47. I went and read that blog when I first saw the link.
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 12:46 PM
Jun 2013

It's no wonder a lot of people are writing about this topic. It's big news to most people, for sure. The information, however, about these capabilities has been around for a long time. Someone leaked a classified court order, which put this on the front page. There have, no doubt, been many such classified court orders in the past, and will be many more in the future, I'm sure.

People who have followed all of this for years were not surprised in any way that it is going on. It's been going on for some good while. I remember the TIA discussions clearly, and had been following the government's use of data access and mining since the late 1960s. It's been a slow, steady process of being able to access more and more data. That capability has been used throughout that time, as the capability developed.

The leaked court order just moved it to the front page, where people who hadn't known about this were suddenly presented with something that had been going on for a long time.

Anyone who's been watching already knew, instinctively that what is possible to do is almost always done. FISA itself is all about doing it.

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Not surprised. You're confusing issues. Bonobo Jun 2013 #1
I'm in no way saying that it's OK. It's not. MineralMan Jun 2013 #2
It is also important to forcefully demand that this not become the new normal. Bonobo Jun 2013 #5
Our party most certainly did not stand against it. MineralMan Jun 2013 #10
In the wake of 9/11, this is true. Bonobo Jun 2013 #12
Actually, it goes back to the Cold War era. MineralMan Jun 2013 #15
thanks so much for your pov on this. Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #40
Call me cynical, but I don't know whether that will work. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2013 #13
exactly.. if they do it well, we won't.. so on that account Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #45
I'm currently & mostly puzzled by it all, more than anything Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #37
Internet email is not private FarCenter Jun 2013 #41
I have never understood why people post the most intimate things on the Internet. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2013 #3
I post bupkis on Facebook, really. MineralMan Jun 2013 #8
Who are these "we" that you claim are surprised? Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #4
Good question. Rex Jun 2013 #7
Just read the threads. Lots of people are surprised. MineralMan Jun 2013 #9
Upset about policy does not equal surprise. morningfog Jun 2013 #28
That's quite true. MineralMan Jun 2013 #34
Not surprised at all. I'm furious that an *ostensibly* Democratic administration would Zorra Jun 2013 #6
This, of course, is the correct answer, woo me with science Jun 2013 #36
Another pointless gust of wind whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #11
Yes. Whatever you say. MineralMan Jun 2013 #17
The mistake of opening it whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #21
True enough. MineralMan Jun 2013 #24
I notice people slow down to look at car wrecks too. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #22
So they do. MineralMan Jun 2013 #23
To protect privacy, it's best to change one's usernames between different websites DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #14
heh. The Link Jun 2013 #18
heh, yourself... MineralMan Jun 2013 #26
Actually, I've been using the same screen name MineralMan Jun 2013 #19
I appreciate the center-right view of this issue. The Link Jun 2013 #16
Do you? I don't think you know my position at all. MineralMan Jun 2013 #20
LOL. "All posts written by me are my opinion only." morningfog Jun 2013 #29
And so they are. That's why it's in my signature line. MineralMan Jun 2013 #31
I've assumed they've been doing this all along Floyd_Gondolli Jun 2013 #25
It's a fair assumption, I'm sure. MineralMan Jun 2013 #27
So, you are the one actually surprised. morningfog Jun 2013 #30
Is that not what I said? I'm surprised that MineralMan Jun 2013 #32
It's the original reason for the National Radio Quiet Zone jberryhill Jun 2013 #43
If anyone is surprised that is BS. Anyone paying attention has known Autumn Jun 2013 #33
It's lots of folks not paying attention. MineralMan Jun 2013 #35
First, part of this has to do with phone calls. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #38
You shouldn't lose your privacy. The fact is that you do. MineralMan Jun 2013 #39
. LWolf Jun 2013 #42
Thanks. I saw that earlier. MineralMan Jun 2013 #44
I saw your post LWolf Jun 2013 #46
I went and read that blog when I first saw the link. MineralMan Jun 2013 #47
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