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Coyotl

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46. Of course not.

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 01:39 PM

Jun 2013

But there are distinctions of great importance. What the FISA Court is doing was in place before Obama was elected and was done illegally by Bush before that.

One thing to ask is "What does Obama know and when did he know it?" Don't be too certain that Obama has been informed of what happens in secret!

This IS NOT a current mess. It is an old mess with details coming up in the M$M that were being ignored all along even if the facts were known to some of us and we tried to inform others.

Yes, there should be outrage about spying on American citizens or anyone else without good and justifiable cause and sound legal practices. Where to direct one's outrage is another matter entirely. We don't even know what the secret laws are. Perhaps someone will leak that next, albeit I think that scenario is doubtful. The current leaks are directed politically, not intended to alter the situation, just the politics.

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HELLO WORLD! George W. Bush illegally spied on American citizens. Read all about it. [View all] Coyotl Jun 2013 OP

I'll absolutely take that bet Aerows Jun 2013 #1

What is the difference between illegally spying and legally spying?? kentuck Jun 2013 #2

I don't think there is a difference. Without a FISA warrant, it's unconstitutional. However... kysrsoze Jun 2013 #10

HUGE difference: You can impeach a President for illegal actions. Coyotl Jun 2013 #16

You said it! siligut Jun 2013 #26

I've got a dumb question. How is he acting to change the laws? I've heard nothing on that kysrsoze Jun 2013 #31

He is EXPANDING upon them! Don't you get it, Obama is bought and paid for just like most Dustlawyer Jun 2013 #39

It surprises me that some here didn't know Bush was doing it in 2002. blm Jun 2013 #3

I don't think that's what the objections are about. Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #5

I know, right? NYC_SKP Jun 2013 #6

And it surprises me at the Le Taz Hot Jun 2013 #7

This nt Mojorabbit Jun 2013 #17

Who said we're saying it's OK now? We're saying that we're not surprised and won't play the game blm Jun 2013 #20

Of course it is not O.K. now and wasn't before. Bush was a criminal and got away with it. Coyotl Jun 2013 #24

I was yelling then too Generic Other Jun 2013 #49

THIS ^^^^^ LovingA2andMI Jun 2013 #38

Of course he did. Hell Hath No Fury Jun 2013 #4

Pfftt, you thought wrong. Daniel537 Jun 2013 #8

Uhm no, the Democratic Party is NOT "Loaded with the same criminals who run the GOP" tridim Jun 2013 #29

Hyperbole and histrionics is all the rage, dontcha know? nt SunSeeker Jun 2013 #34

Yes because no one in our party voted for the Patriot act zeemike Jun 2013 #40

Actually, Congress continued the Bush spy program by legalizing it. You can't hang this on Obama, Coyotl Jun 2013 #12

Did he or did he not sign a -- Hell Hath No Fury Jun 2013 #18

Yup. He did sign the bill. kysrsoze Jun 2013 #32

The fuck you can't hang this on Obama DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #35

a Soviet-style program Generic Other Jun 2013 #50

Not Soviet style, and not a cold war, and not directed against US citizens Coyotl Jun 2013 #55

I was pissed off about it when Bush did it Chisox08 Jun 2013 #9

Well, that's a long way of saying WestStar Jun 2013 #11

Bush did the spying for years illegally, without a warrant. Congress gave immunity and legalized it. Coyotl Jun 2013 #13

what in fuck are you all going on about!?!? we complained about THEN boilerbabe Jun 2013 #14

Better watch out with that kind of talk... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #33

We knew about it when Bush was doing it and we talked about it on this board for months. Arkansas Granny Jun 2013 #15

What is going to happen next is Republican posturing, posing as the opponents of spying Coyotl Jun 2013 #19

This will be interesting to see siligut Jun 2013 #43

Another McCarthyite attempt to silence Generic Other Jun 2013 #51

Whistleblower: The NSA Is Lying�U.S. Government Has Copies of Most of Your Emails Coyotl Jun 2013 #21

They don't even need your emails, they've got facebook. SunSeeker Jun 2013 #36

incredible, isnt it? bunnies Jun 2013 #41

Not everyone who uses Facebook posts all of their details. ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #52

Newsflash: Bush isn't president anymore. DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #22

The FISA court isn't elected and operates under existing law. Change the law if you can Coyotl Jun 2013 #23

Obama could stop it immediately with an executive order. DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #25

Ron Wyden on NSA Spying & Secret Law = Clipped from:Senate Session Dec 27, 2012 Coyotl Jun 2013 #27

And who will take the blame? liberal N proud Jun 2013 #28

Democracy Now: "A Massive Surveillance State": Glenn Greenwald Exposes Covert NSA Program Coyotl Jun 2013 #30

No memory hole here. blackspade Jun 2013 #37

Are you trying to say that, LWolf Jun 2013 #42

Of course not. Coyotl Jun 2013 #46

If Obama did not confront LWolf Jun 2013 #48

K & R Scurrilous Jun 2013 #44

Yeah, he was terrible for liberty too Ter Jun 2013 #45

Domestic Surveillance TIMELINE, From Bush to Obama Timeline: PRISM, Total Information Awareness ... Coyotl Jun 2013 #47

Internet giants deny granting government 'direct access' to servers Coyotl Jun 2013 #53

Guardian Cover Page = WOW Coyotl Jun 2013 #54

Stop Freaking Out About the NSA Coyotl Jun 2013 #56

You are gullible if you really think the is nothing to worry about! n-t Logical Jun 2013 #57

Putting some of the freaking out into perspective is not gullibility, freakingh out is Coyotl Jun 2013 #59

What's your point? That now it's OKAY? That we should remain forever silent? WinkyDink Jun 2013 #58

Does a lenghty post seem like remaining silent to you? Coyotl Jun 2013 #60

Maybe you should try a different thread title, then. WinkyDink Jun 2013 #62

The threads title reflects the topic of the thread, of course. Coyotl Jun 2013 #63

Nothing we didn't know, but Obama should have STOPPED the practice instead of Zavulon Jun 2013 #61