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In reply to the discussion: HELLO WORLD! George W. Bush illegally spied on American citizens. Read all about it. [View all]Coyotl
(15,262 posts)56. Stop Freaking Out About the NSA
SLATE: Stop Freaking Out About the NSA
The governments phone surveillance isnt Orwellian. Its limited and supervised.
By William Saletan|Posted Thursday, June 6, 2013, at 3:52 PM
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/frame_game/2013/06/stop_the_nsa_surveillance_hysteria_the_government_s_scrutiny_of_verizon.html
The governments phone surveillance isnt Orwellian. Its limited and supervised.
By William Saletan|Posted Thursday, June 6, 2013, at 3:52 PM
You dont need a wiretap to hear what people are saying about the National Security Agencys phone surveillance program. The programs details, disclosed in a secret court order leaked to the Guardian, show that at least one major company, Verizon, has been legally required to give the government information about its subscribers communications. An astounding assault on the Constitution, says Rand Paul. Obscenely outrageous, says Al Gore. Beyond Orwellian, says the ACLU.
Chill. You can quarrel with this program, but it isnt Orwellian. Its limited, and its controlled by checks and balances.
The programs purpose, according to administration officials and knowledgeable members of Congress, is to find out whos been calling or receiving calls from phone numbers linked to known or suspected terrorists. If Tamerlan Tsarnaev had been in contact with somebody flagged as a possible jihadist operative, this is the kind of surveillance that would have brought him to the attention of counterterrorism investigators, even without Russian assistance.
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The leaked order is certainly worth discussing. It confirms that previous lines have been crossed. Its now clear that the surveillance program, which was known to have been conducted under President Bush, has continued ...
Chill. You can quarrel with this program, but it isnt Orwellian. Its limited, and its controlled by checks and balances.
The programs purpose, according to administration officials and knowledgeable members of Congress, is to find out whos been calling or receiving calls from phone numbers linked to known or suspected terrorists. If Tamerlan Tsarnaev had been in contact with somebody flagged as a possible jihadist operative, this is the kind of surveillance that would have brought him to the attention of counterterrorism investigators, even without Russian assistance.
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The leaked order is certainly worth discussing. It confirms that previous lines have been crossed. Its now clear that the surveillance program, which was known to have been conducted under President Bush, has continued ...
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/frame_game/2013/06/stop_the_nsa_surveillance_hysteria_the_government_s_scrutiny_of_verizon.html
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HELLO WORLD! George W. Bush illegally spied on American citizens. Read all about it. [View all]
Coyotl
Jun 2013
OP
I don't think there is a difference. Without a FISA warrant, it's unconstitutional. However...
kysrsoze
Jun 2013
#10
I've got a dumb question. How is he acting to change the laws? I've heard nothing on that
kysrsoze
Jun 2013
#31
He is EXPANDING upon them! Don't you get it, Obama is bought and paid for just like most
Dustlawyer
Jun 2013
#39
Who said we're saying it's OK now? We're saying that we're not surprised and won't play the game
blm
Jun 2013
#20
Of course it is not O.K. now and wasn't before. Bush was a criminal and got away with it.
Coyotl
Jun 2013
#24
Uhm no, the Democratic Party is NOT "Loaded with the same criminals who run the GOP"
tridim
Jun 2013
#29
Actually, Congress continued the Bush spy program by legalizing it. You can't hang this on Obama,
Coyotl
Jun 2013
#12
Bush did the spying for years illegally, without a warrant. Congress gave immunity and legalized it.
Coyotl
Jun 2013
#13
We knew about it when Bush was doing it and we talked about it on this board for months.
Arkansas Granny
Jun 2013
#15
What is going to happen next is Republican posturing, posing as the opponents of spying
Coyotl
Jun 2013
#19
Whistleblower: The NSA Is Lying–U.S. Government Has Copies of Most of Your Emails
Coyotl
Jun 2013
#21
The FISA court isn't elected and operates under existing law. Change the law if you can
Coyotl
Jun 2013
#23
Democracy Now: "A Massive Surveillance State": Glenn Greenwald Exposes Covert NSA Program
Coyotl
Jun 2013
#30
Domestic Surveillance TIMELINE, From Bush to Obama Timeline: PRISM, Total Information Awareness ...
Coyotl
Jun 2013
#47