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ProSense

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34. Well,

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 08:26 PM

Jun 2013

"Hey, those are precisely the links I already told you I don't need"

...those are "precisely" the links I decided to give you.

"I'll mark you as a Yes, in full support of the President's domestic surveillance program "

Mark it however you want to. I mean, if you want to make up your own facts, you might as well make up other people's responses to your made up facts.

Enjoy.

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This whole NSA story is nothing more than recycled outrage. Glenn Greenwald didn't break shit. [View all] Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 OP

K/R. (nt) NYC_SKP Jun 2013 #1

I don't support spying on the American public. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #2

Well, ProSense Jun 2013 #4

Hi, ProSense. Do you support the President's domestic spying program? DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #6

Do you think that attempt at gotcha changes the point of the OP? ProSense Jun 2013 #10

Hey, those are precisely the links I already told you I don't need DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #20

Well, ProSense Jun 2013 #34

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #14

This message was self-deleted by its author ProSense Jun 2013 #24

Grow the fuck up! n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #27

Thought better of all the "fuck you"s and telling me to change my name to "occulusshithead", huh? Occulus Jun 2013 #33

Oh, I stand by what I think. ProSense Jun 2013 #36

I'm sure you do. Your problem is, Occulus Jun 2013 #38

Seems like your problem ProSense Jun 2013 #39

Attack the messenger? Discredit the speaker? That's pretty low. Laelth Jun 2013 #186

Shame on you! pocoloco Jun 2013 #199

This is one of the relative few bedrock issues we encounter DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #29

+1 great post Hestia Jun 2013 #158

+ 1000 red dog 1 Jun 2013 #254

+1 OrwellwasRight Jun 2013 #260

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #44

THANK YOU! Cha Jun 2013 #7

Hi, Cha. Do you support the President's domestic spying program? Occulus Jun 2013 #8

Yes. Cha Jun 2013 #12

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #19

No, I'm your enemy. Cha Jun 2013 #22

They heard me once, Cha. You don't need to repeat me. Occulus Jun 2013 #35

I'm repeating nothing of yours. You're calling me names Cha Jun 2013 #74

she showed those long ago. boilerbabe Jun 2013 #30

they will tell spying is ok now because they made it legal. boilerbabe Jun 2013 #25

The government made torture "legal" too magellan Jun 2013 #264

It's amazing that billh58 Jun 2013 #17

it records your Niceguy1 Jun 2013 #28

Sort of like being followed around Maedhros Jun 2013 #61

It's 'sort of like' Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #171

Excellent analogy. Laelth Jun 2013 #187

And would be perferctly legal if done by, well, anyone. Ikonoklast Jun 2013 #258

It seems apparent that they are also getting your internet history. A Simple Game Jun 2013 #89

If I were anywhere billh58 Jun 2013 #123

Of course you wouldn't be on DU if you were important to the terrorist community. A Simple Game Jun 2013 #182

Amazon and my credit billh58 Jun 2013 #184

Tell me how the NSA knows I am important enough to merit their attention A Simple Game Jun 2013 #214

Okay, I admit it. billh58 Jun 2013 #215

Thanks for admitting you lost the argument. If you were serious you A Simple Game Jun 2013 #216

My supervisor just billh58 Jun 2013 #218

On a more serious note, just one last question. A Simple Game Jun 2013 #219

I made a deal billh58 Jun 2013 #220

Wrong dennis4868 Jun 2013 #156

Wow CokeMachine Jun 2013 #124

I'm not exactly billh58 Jun 2013 #210

Is that all you have Bill? CokeMachine Jun 2013 #249

It's amazing that so many are so naive... meaculpa2011 Jun 2013 #230

Shit happens. n/t billh58 Jun 2013 #232

Brilliant. n/t needed. meaculpa2011 Jun 2013 #235

Which part of Greenwald's article wasn't factual?? caseymoz Jun 2013 #138

I don't want anyone to do what the constitution forbids. That includes Mr. Obama. Replace Obama with roguevalley Jun 2013 #259

That does really limit your life! whistler162 Jun 2013 #42

Do you support feeding the American public? jeff47 Jun 2013 #48

Of course I do. I'm a liberal. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #53

Oh, it's not Obama's agenda. jeff47 Jun 2013 #56

George Peppard is dead, and I bid you a good weekend. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #57

Totally ON POINT!!! LovingA2andMI Jun 2013 #78

but its existance has just been discovered arely staircase Jun 2013 #64

Let me get this straight. Union Scribe Jun 2013 #140

No, I'm saying the Senate vote on cutting food stamps is Monday. jeff47 Jun 2013 #253

+1 Jamaal510 Jun 2013 #166

I don't support baseless assumptions. cheapdate Jun 2013 #91

So you support the domestic surveillance program. I don't. Thank you. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #94

I see that you're prone to making false assumptions cheapdate Jun 2013 #102

Groovy, let's end the assumptions and get to the answer DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #106

The FISA laws are too vague, too secretive, and too broad. cheapdate Jun 2013 #151

I saw your laundry hanging outside snooper2 Jun 2013 #99

Cool...I saw you playing "I'm a VOIP engineer, so I know everything about the NSA" DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #104

I'm doing groom work tonight, snooper2 Jun 2013 #169

I'm a network guy DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #176

all of our VoIP customers traffic is encapsulated within an IP VPN snooper2 Jun 2013 #180

You're running a way-over engineered .1q fiber trunk with default vlan 1 (tsk), & you've changed the DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #229

Good finds. K/R. TwilightGardener Jun 2013 #3

Greenwald tricked his readers! Facts aren't going to loosen the jaws Cha Jun 2013 #5

All just in time for the 2014 elections, too! Greenwald is the GOP's *bestest* friend! BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #92

Nah, Greenwald luvin' bush?!!!!111 Cha Jun 2013 #96

Wow. He gives the benefit of the doubt to Bush...but not Obama. SunSeeker Jun 2013 #103

I bet Greenwald looked "unhinged"! Cha Jun 2013 #108

It's always funny when authoritarian "Democrats" try to label people to their left "right wing". Marr Jun 2013 #111

Twitter sure has some words for Glenn~ sheshe2 Jun 2013 #132

Yes, Greenwald is getting ridiculed by those who aren't buying his "breaking news" shite, Cha Jun 2013 #146

Simon's article was great, Cha sheshe2 Jun 2013 #150

I didn't know DU already Cha Jun 2013 #153

I rec'd it earlier sheshe2 Jun 2013 #161

He supported the Iraq War, too? Jamaal510 Jun 2013 #167

That info was not hidden. Plenty of us know it. Why do you just now know about it? Hissyspit Jun 2013 #234

FFS! What a POS! freshwest Jun 2013 #263

There's more.. more current.. Cha Jun 2013 #265

Quite the contrary. Laelth Jun 2013 #188

He always misleads. DevonRex Jun 2013 #118

The Profiteering Cha Jun 2013 #141

Did you see the look Maher gave him DevonRex Jun 2013 #148

No, I didn't see it.. but, thanks Cha Jun 2013 #152

Do you have any actual facts? Hissyspit Jun 2013 #236

Try this interview about the AP leak and journalists' responsibilities. DevonRex Jun 2013 #238

I already read his column about it. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #239

Really? He disapproves of AP outing the operative and explains it fully. DevonRex Jun 2013 #240

He outed a CIA operative for no good reason. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #247

How did he "trick" his readers when he mentioned the 2006 NSA revelations right in his article. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #196

He might have broken wind ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2013 #9

"Impeach the Patriot Act!" should be our battle-cry. randome Jun 2013 #11

That makes sense, but doesnt fit with the others in this thread. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #16

you mean Niceguy1 Jun 2013 #21

Did he have a majority in Congress to support him then? randome Jun 2013 #31

that is a poor excuse for Obama's Niceguy1 Jun 2013 #37

I am much more afraid of another 3 decades of Republican rule than I am of phone record metadata. randome Jun 2013 #77

+1 SunSeeker Jun 2013 #97

Me too, but that's not very likely, is it? Laelth Jun 2013 #189

It is very likely if Obama were to scale back and a terrorist attack then occurred. randome Jun 2013 #201

I suspect you are absolutely correct regarding Obama's motivations, here. Laelth Jun 2013 #202

I would prefer that the data collection STOP. randome Jun 2013 #204

Obama is the head of the Democratic Party, yes. Laelth Jun 2013 #206

Just ending the program would not bring back Republicans. I thought I made that clear. randome Jun 2013 #207

Let me get this straight. Because you are afraid of republican rule, you are willing to look rhett o rick Jun 2013 #255

Obama may not be the Progressive we wanted but he's close enough in my book. randome Jun 2013 #257

The media hit the jackpot here at du madokie Jun 2013 #13

Hell we've got people declaring others... one_voice Jun 2013 #71

Yeah, Demogoguery at its Worse. Cha Jun 2013 #114

Sad, Huh ...? 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #79

Me either madokie Jun 2013 #86

To go a little further ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #115

And they call others blind followers without any judgment... freshwest Jun 2013 #267

ROFL davidpdx Jun 2013 #271

But ... But ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #273

Excellent point sheshe2 Jun 2013 #90

What isn't true? The President is not only acknowledging but defending. TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #112

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #119

The corporate propaganda IS at DU. woo me with science Jun 2013 #128

Lots of ya'll prefer North Korean propaganda to DevonRex Jun 2013 #142

So far today I have seen the apologists for everything corporate-authoritarian woo me with science Jun 2013 #143

Anybody who paid attention knew about this all along. DevonRex Jun 2013 #159

My, the tune has changed. woo me with science Jun 2013 #170

... DevonRex Jun 2013 #174

That's your best response? Really? woo me with science Jun 2013 #175

+1 Well said, woo. Laelth Jun 2013 #191

True, Karl Rove-paid FAKE PROGRESSIVES have infested this place like cockroaches emulatorloo Jun 2013 #228

They said they're voting for Ron, er, Rand Paul: freshwest Jun 2013 #266

Its pretty f*cking sad madokie Jun 2013 #268

I am totally happy it is in the public eye again and that the media is actually covering it Mojorabbit Jun 2013 #15

That would mean electing new members to Congress who Cha Jun 2013 #26

Congresscritters rarely change their mind when it is just us writing and calling Mojorabbit Jun 2013 #32

It's now news because it's a Democrat in the White House ... zbdent Jun 2013 #18

And it was news then when a Republican was in the White House. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #197

Well... BlueCheese Jun 2013 #23

Actually, we did. jeff47 Jun 2013 #45

You have a point. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #47

You should assume every president will use every law to the fullest extent. jeff47 Jun 2013 #52

Not true, actually. MineralMan Jun 2013 #190

Thank you. BlueToTheBone Jun 2013 #40

I can agree with that. Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #55

That's the old print media being slow as usual! Crowman1979 Jun 2013 #41

Seems that some are shocked & surprised that folks don't approve of spying on ALL americans usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #43

Greenwald Did Break Huge Stories pmorlan1 Jun 2013 #46

uh, no arely staircase Jun 2013 #65

No, he didn't. You're not entitled to your own facts DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #98

and Obama said he would end this program? arely staircase Jun 2013 #100

No. He came out forcefully in support of his spying program today. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #107

so it has been public knowledge for six years and you just got mad about it recently? arely staircase Jun 2013 #109

Again, you don't get to make shit up DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #117

either you have known about it and said nothing arely staircase Jun 2013 #136

Willful ignorance pmorlan1 Jun 2013 #245

why would I have thought for a moment Obama wasn't doing it? he never said he would end it. never arely staircase Jun 2013 #250

He sponsored a bill in 2005 that would have sharply curtailed gov spying on US citizens magellan Jun 2013 #270

Exactly!! LovingA2andMI Jun 2013 #82

The difference is, that was 'anonymous sources', which the govt could just say 'no comment' to muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #49

Guess again. Read this thread and watch the videos. Coyotl Jun 2013 #113

I always assumed the data in question was on routinely part of my telephone record kristopher Jun 2013 #50

But isn't that the problem?? kentuck Jun 2013 #51

Confirmation that this activity has been ongoing for 7 years Maedhros Jun 2013 #63

This program of wiretapping without a warrant . . . another_liberal Jun 2013 #54

Since 1979, American courts have taken the view that collecting telephone call records struggle4progress Jun 2013 #135

Technology got ahead . . . another_liberal Jun 2013 #168

The issue is massive blind dragnet. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #244

Simple solution: Don't spy on Americans. End of embarrassing story. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #58

agreed, but this ain't news, or new arely staircase Jun 2013 #69

It appears to be news to a lot of people. And, is finally being discussed. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #70

absolutely arely staircase Jun 2013 #75

Well the President welcomes having this discussion, so he says kenny blankenship Jun 2013 #80

Yep. He "welcomes the discussion" the same way people welcome root canals. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #163

+1, it's what I've been saying all day. SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #76

But, but, but ... Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #59

+1 Spot on. FSogol Jun 2013 #73

Sorry, that just doesn't jibe with reality. Laelth Jun 2013 #195

so you waited six years to get mad about this? arely staircase Jun 2013 #209

Sigh. Laelth Jun 2013 #212

all of that is true but it has been true arely staircase Jun 2013 #213

Would you have preferred it if Greenwald had released this info in Oct. 2012? Laelth Jun 2013 #222

why wait on greenwld when you already knew all of his? arely staircase Jun 2013 #223

Um ... as I said, because this is a better time to have this discussion. n/t Laelth Jun 2013 #225

you've been here for a 18 months. how do you know what people here were saying in 2006? frylock Jun 2013 #251

uh, so you do know non-members can read DU, right? arely staircase Jun 2013 #252

evidently you can't.. frylock Jun 2013 #256

I wonder if this board would react this way if nineteen50 Jun 2013 #60

thank god we will never know? arely staircase Jun 2013 #68

Wrong. It's the first time we've seen the FISA orders Obama promised. DirkGently Jun 2013 #62

Obama promised to end this? arely staircase Jun 2013 #66

Greenwald got a few little specifics RoccoR5955 Jun 2013 #67

Kick and Recommend! FSogol Jun 2013 #72

The Republicans are trying to blame Obama for the crimes committed under Bush. Initech Jun 2013 #81

That is true. But that does not mean this is not news Hissyspit Jun 2013 #105

Thanks for posting this PatSeg Jun 2013 #83

I'm with you Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #85

lol Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #84

There comes a point where you just can't blame it on bush anymore. Skip Intro Jun 2013 #87

If you want the laws to change.. Change Congress. This is nothing new. And, as Cha Jun 2013 #121

By the same token, if you want to ignore the 4th Amendment, repeal the 4th Amendment Dragonfli Jun 2013 #231

No he didn't. DevonRex Jun 2013 #88

"RW operative" Hissyspit Jun 2013 #181

He wrote 3 books and thousands of blog posts against the Bush admin. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #208

Unrec. truebluegreen Jun 2013 #93

Wrong. blackspade Jun 2013 #95

Barack Obama was President in 2006? Hissyspit Jun 2013 #101

You're right and I'm sorry. I'll leave the text below for the reference of those TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #120

My point is the revelation IS news because while we may have thought the program was still going on Hissyspit Jun 2013 #139

K & R SunSeeker Jun 2013 #110

The Gov't LIED to the American public when it claimed only int'l contacts would be targeted, blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #116

It's getting very difficult woo me with science Jun 2013 #178

There was a huge story about the same thing printed in Aug 2012 in NYT. Read the wiki article on the okaawhatever Jun 2013 #122

Kicked and Recommending! sheshe2 Jun 2013 #125

Bush did it too! AgingAmerican Jun 2013 #126

This is another frenzy to feed the haters flamingdem Jun 2013 #127

Blocked from doing what? Union Scribe Jun 2013 #130

Blocked from being able to get past fake outrage and succeed flamingdem Jun 2013 #164

Anything more specific? nt Union Scribe Jun 2013 #173

Blocked? Laelth Jun 2013 #200

This is the new norm Mkap Jun 2013 #129

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2013 #131

You're prevaricaricating and you know it. caseymoz Jun 2013 #133

you say obama said he would stop it, please give us a link arely staircase Jun 2013 #137

Sure I'll give the link. caseymoz Jun 2013 #145

nothing arely staircase Jun 2013 #154

Bush was bypassing FISA and the Congress, and Obama does not. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #203

You mean by getting single warrant for massive surveillance caseymoz Jun 2013 #224

Greenwald is a clown...nt SidDithers Jun 2013 #134

Obama's "Spy on Everyone" policy was already public? My *ass*, it was. MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #144

LOL Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #172

I want to ask the people who are outraged by unjustified power in the NSA and intel agencies: Zen Democrat Jun 2013 #147

Nonsense. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #160

I don't know about you, but I've protested, volunteered, and THOUGHT I was voting for Democrats. WinkyDink Jun 2013 #217

Some of us understand that this is nothing new. However, as it is nothing new, Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #149

The spying on innocent Americans is just as wrong now as it was then Corruption Inc Jun 2013 #155

I watched Faux Snooze earlier this evening to see how they were dealing with it, and . . . Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #157

Why Am I RobinA Jun 2013 #162

Exactly what I've said all along. Jamaal510 Jun 2013 #165

Neat trick isn't it? ucrdem Jun 2013 #179

QFT. ucrdem Jun 2013 #177

Recycled or not, the outrage is perfectly legitimate. Zavulon Jun 2013 #183

The attention this issue is getting belies the OP. Laelth Jun 2013 #185

Easy, you dope Yukari Yakumo Jun 2013 #275

You're such a charming person. ;) Laelth Jun 2013 #276

What is "recycled" is this ploy to downplay peoples legitimate outrage, along with the GoneFishin Jun 2013 #192

It's all part of the GOP scheme Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #193

Apparently you didn't read Greenwald's article. He acknowledges the 2006 NSA revelations. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #194

Why would they read something they don't want to know? Marr Jun 2013 #211

Truthfully, I don't think Bush ever had the same kind of personality cult around him. kenny blankenship Jun 2013 #242

Amen! Highway61 Jun 2013 #198

The minute Obama weakens the Patriot Act sellitman Jun 2013 #205

If it's such a non-story, why is Obama making speeches about it and pursuing the "leaker"? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #221

2006 is just the latest trickle in the rain... Vilis Veritas Jun 2013 #226

"Hey, NSA, I never had a big brother, so thanks!" The Blue Flower Jun 2013 #227

Same shit different day (NT) The Wizard Jun 2013 #233

Greenwald has been writing about the issue since 2006, so no it's not, Hissyspit Jun 2013 #237

Bingo! Scurrilous Jun 2013 #241

This is NOT a fake scandal. It's a continuation of Bush admin policies Roland99 Jun 2013 #243

Spying on us is outrageous. I'm glad the issue is finally getting some attention. nt limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #246

K&R great white snark Jun 2013 #248

Greenwald is scum. MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #261

Breitbart of the Left? No, he's a Libertarian ratfucker working to elect conservatives. freshwest Jun 2013 #269

a ratfucker if there ever was one. MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #277

Pardon me but DonCoquixote Jun 2013 #262

In fact the only thing new is that it confirms the Obama admin is doing it legally. DCBob Jun 2013 #272

Did you support it in 2007? nt Bonobo Jun 2013 #274