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blackspade

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95. Wrong.

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 09:55 PM

Jun 2013

Greenwald has an actual document that shows that the shitty 4th amendment violations that were going on under that asshole Bush are still going on under a Democratic president that ran on changing how things were being done in DC.

This is not a new outrage (I agree with you on that) but actual documentation has been sparse at best.
All the bullshit 'scandals' if anything are obscuring this actual scandal.
The M$M will not follow this for long because it is an actual problem that has roots deep into the powers that actually control this country.
Regardless, Obama has signed onto this and unfortunately now owns this detestable Bushe era policy that should have been ditched within hours of taking office.

So, please, this is not an effort to 'get' Obama. In this case he is a party to the continuing erosion of our Constitutional liberties.

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This whole NSA story is nothing more than recycled outrage. Glenn Greenwald didn't break shit. [View all] Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 OP

K/R. (nt) NYC_SKP Jun 2013 #1

I don't support spying on the American public. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #2

Well, ProSense Jun 2013 #4

Hi, ProSense. Do you support the President's domestic spying program? DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #6

Do you think that attempt at gotcha changes the point of the OP? ProSense Jun 2013 #10

Hey, those are precisely the links I already told you I don't need DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #20

Well, ProSense Jun 2013 #34

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #14

This message was self-deleted by its author ProSense Jun 2013 #24

Grow the fuck up! n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #27

Thought better of all the "fuck you"s and telling me to change my name to "occulusshithead", huh? Occulus Jun 2013 #33

Oh, I stand by what I think. ProSense Jun 2013 #36

I'm sure you do. Your problem is, Occulus Jun 2013 #38

Seems like your problem ProSense Jun 2013 #39

Attack the messenger? Discredit the speaker? That's pretty low. Laelth Jun 2013 #186

Shame on you! pocoloco Jun 2013 #199

This is one of the relative few bedrock issues we encounter DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #29

+1 great post Hestia Jun 2013 #158

+ 1000 red dog 1 Jun 2013 #254

+1 OrwellwasRight Jun 2013 #260

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #44

THANK YOU! Cha Jun 2013 #7

Hi, Cha. Do you support the President's domestic spying program? Occulus Jun 2013 #8

Yes. Cha Jun 2013 #12

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #19

No, I'm your enemy. Cha Jun 2013 #22

They heard me once, Cha. You don't need to repeat me. Occulus Jun 2013 #35

I'm repeating nothing of yours. You're calling me names Cha Jun 2013 #74

she showed those long ago. boilerbabe Jun 2013 #30

they will tell spying is ok now because they made it legal. boilerbabe Jun 2013 #25

The government made torture "legal" too magellan Jun 2013 #264

It's amazing that billh58 Jun 2013 #17

it records your Niceguy1 Jun 2013 #28

Sort of like being followed around Maedhros Jun 2013 #61

It's 'sort of like' Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #171

Excellent analogy. Laelth Jun 2013 #187

And would be perferctly legal if done by, well, anyone. Ikonoklast Jun 2013 #258

It seems apparent that they are also getting your internet history. A Simple Game Jun 2013 #89

If I were anywhere billh58 Jun 2013 #123

Of course you wouldn't be on DU if you were important to the terrorist community. A Simple Game Jun 2013 #182

Amazon and my credit billh58 Jun 2013 #184

Tell me how the NSA knows I am important enough to merit their attention A Simple Game Jun 2013 #214

Okay, I admit it. billh58 Jun 2013 #215

Thanks for admitting you lost the argument. If you were serious you A Simple Game Jun 2013 #216

My supervisor just billh58 Jun 2013 #218

On a more serious note, just one last question. A Simple Game Jun 2013 #219

I made a deal billh58 Jun 2013 #220

Wrong dennis4868 Jun 2013 #156

Wow CokeMachine Jun 2013 #124

I'm not exactly billh58 Jun 2013 #210

Is that all you have Bill? CokeMachine Jun 2013 #249

It's amazing that so many are so naive... meaculpa2011 Jun 2013 #230

Shit happens. n/t billh58 Jun 2013 #232

Brilliant. n/t needed. meaculpa2011 Jun 2013 #235

Which part of Greenwald's article wasn't factual?? caseymoz Jun 2013 #138

I don't want anyone to do what the constitution forbids. That includes Mr. Obama. Replace Obama with roguevalley Jun 2013 #259

That does really limit your life! whistler162 Jun 2013 #42

Do you support feeding the American public? jeff47 Jun 2013 #48

Of course I do. I'm a liberal. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #53

Oh, it's not Obama's agenda. jeff47 Jun 2013 #56

George Peppard is dead, and I bid you a good weekend. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #57

Totally ON POINT!!! LovingA2andMI Jun 2013 #78

but its existance has just been discovered arely staircase Jun 2013 #64

Let me get this straight. Union Scribe Jun 2013 #140

No, I'm saying the Senate vote on cutting food stamps is Monday. jeff47 Jun 2013 #253

+1 Jamaal510 Jun 2013 #166

I don't support baseless assumptions. cheapdate Jun 2013 #91

So you support the domestic surveillance program. I don't. Thank you. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #94

I see that you're prone to making false assumptions cheapdate Jun 2013 #102

Groovy, let's end the assumptions and get to the answer DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #106

The FISA laws are too vague, too secretive, and too broad. cheapdate Jun 2013 #151

I saw your laundry hanging outside snooper2 Jun 2013 #99

Cool...I saw you playing "I'm a VOIP engineer, so I know everything about the NSA" DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #104

I'm doing groom work tonight, snooper2 Jun 2013 #169

I'm a network guy DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #176

all of our VoIP customers traffic is encapsulated within an IP VPN snooper2 Jun 2013 #180

You're running a way-over engineered .1q fiber trunk with default vlan 1 (tsk), & you've changed the DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #229

Good finds. K/R. TwilightGardener Jun 2013 #3

Greenwald tricked his readers! Facts aren't going to loosen the jaws Cha Jun 2013 #5

All just in time for the 2014 elections, too! Greenwald is the GOP's *bestest* friend! BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #92

Nah, Greenwald luvin' bush?!!!!111 Cha Jun 2013 #96

Wow. He gives the benefit of the doubt to Bush...but not Obama. SunSeeker Jun 2013 #103

I bet Greenwald looked "unhinged"! Cha Jun 2013 #108

It's always funny when authoritarian "Democrats" try to label people to their left "right wing". Marr Jun 2013 #111

Twitter sure has some words for Glenn~ sheshe2 Jun 2013 #132

Yes, Greenwald is getting ridiculed by those who aren't buying his "breaking news" shite, Cha Jun 2013 #146

Simon's article was great, Cha sheshe2 Jun 2013 #150

I didn't know DU already Cha Jun 2013 #153

I rec'd it earlier sheshe2 Jun 2013 #161

He supported the Iraq War, too? Jamaal510 Jun 2013 #167

That info was not hidden. Plenty of us know it. Why do you just now know about it? Hissyspit Jun 2013 #234

FFS! What a POS! freshwest Jun 2013 #263

There's more.. more current.. Cha Jun 2013 #265

Quite the contrary. Laelth Jun 2013 #188

He always misleads. DevonRex Jun 2013 #118

The Profiteering Cha Jun 2013 #141

Did you see the look Maher gave him DevonRex Jun 2013 #148

No, I didn't see it.. but, thanks Cha Jun 2013 #152

Do you have any actual facts? Hissyspit Jun 2013 #236

Try this interview about the AP leak and journalists' responsibilities. DevonRex Jun 2013 #238

I already read his column about it. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #239

Really? He disapproves of AP outing the operative and explains it fully. DevonRex Jun 2013 #240

He outed a CIA operative for no good reason. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #247

How did he "trick" his readers when he mentioned the 2006 NSA revelations right in his article. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #196

He might have broken wind ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2013 #9

"Impeach the Patriot Act!" should be our battle-cry. randome Jun 2013 #11

That makes sense, but doesnt fit with the others in this thread. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #16

you mean Niceguy1 Jun 2013 #21

Did he have a majority in Congress to support him then? randome Jun 2013 #31

that is a poor excuse for Obama's Niceguy1 Jun 2013 #37

I am much more afraid of another 3 decades of Republican rule than I am of phone record metadata. randome Jun 2013 #77

+1 SunSeeker Jun 2013 #97

Me too, but that's not very likely, is it? Laelth Jun 2013 #189

It is very likely if Obama were to scale back and a terrorist attack then occurred. randome Jun 2013 #201

I suspect you are absolutely correct regarding Obama's motivations, here. Laelth Jun 2013 #202

I would prefer that the data collection STOP. randome Jun 2013 #204

Obama is the head of the Democratic Party, yes. Laelth Jun 2013 #206

Just ending the program would not bring back Republicans. I thought I made that clear. randome Jun 2013 #207

Let me get this straight. Because you are afraid of republican rule, you are willing to look rhett o rick Jun 2013 #255

Obama may not be the Progressive we wanted but he's close enough in my book. randome Jun 2013 #257

The media hit the jackpot here at du madokie Jun 2013 #13

Hell we've got people declaring others... one_voice Jun 2013 #71

Yeah, Demogoguery at its Worse. Cha Jun 2013 #114

Sad, Huh ...? 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #79

Me either madokie Jun 2013 #86

To go a little further ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #115

And they call others blind followers without any judgment... freshwest Jun 2013 #267

ROFL davidpdx Jun 2013 #271

But ... But ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #273

Excellent point sheshe2 Jun 2013 #90

What isn't true? The President is not only acknowledging but defending. TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #112

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #119

The corporate propaganda IS at DU. woo me with science Jun 2013 #128

Lots of ya'll prefer North Korean propaganda to DevonRex Jun 2013 #142

So far today I have seen the apologists for everything corporate-authoritarian woo me with science Jun 2013 #143

Anybody who paid attention knew about this all along. DevonRex Jun 2013 #159

My, the tune has changed. woo me with science Jun 2013 #170

... DevonRex Jun 2013 #174

That's your best response? Really? woo me with science Jun 2013 #175

+1 Well said, woo. Laelth Jun 2013 #191

True, Karl Rove-paid FAKE PROGRESSIVES have infested this place like cockroaches emulatorloo Jun 2013 #228

They said they're voting for Ron, er, Rand Paul: freshwest Jun 2013 #266

Its pretty f*cking sad madokie Jun 2013 #268

I am totally happy it is in the public eye again and that the media is actually covering it Mojorabbit Jun 2013 #15

That would mean electing new members to Congress who Cha Jun 2013 #26

Congresscritters rarely change their mind when it is just us writing and calling Mojorabbit Jun 2013 #32

It's now news because it's a Democrat in the White House ... zbdent Jun 2013 #18

And it was news then when a Republican was in the White House. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #197

Well... BlueCheese Jun 2013 #23

Actually, we did. jeff47 Jun 2013 #45

You have a point. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #47

You should assume every president will use every law to the fullest extent. jeff47 Jun 2013 #52

Not true, actually. MineralMan Jun 2013 #190

Thank you. BlueToTheBone Jun 2013 #40

I can agree with that. Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #55

That's the old print media being slow as usual! Crowman1979 Jun 2013 #41

Seems that some are shocked & surprised that folks don't approve of spying on ALL americans usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #43

Greenwald Did Break Huge Stories pmorlan1 Jun 2013 #46

uh, no arely staircase Jun 2013 #65

No, he didn't. You're not entitled to your own facts DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #98

and Obama said he would end this program? arely staircase Jun 2013 #100

No. He came out forcefully in support of his spying program today. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #107

so it has been public knowledge for six years and you just got mad about it recently? arely staircase Jun 2013 #109

Again, you don't get to make shit up DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #117

either you have known about it and said nothing arely staircase Jun 2013 #136

Willful ignorance pmorlan1 Jun 2013 #245

why would I have thought for a moment Obama wasn't doing it? he never said he would end it. never arely staircase Jun 2013 #250

He sponsored a bill in 2005 that would have sharply curtailed gov spying on US citizens magellan Jun 2013 #270

Exactly!! LovingA2andMI Jun 2013 #82

The difference is, that was 'anonymous sources', which the govt could just say 'no comment' to muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #49

Guess again. Read this thread and watch the videos. Coyotl Jun 2013 #113

I always assumed the data in question was on routinely part of my telephone record kristopher Jun 2013 #50

But isn't that the problem?? kentuck Jun 2013 #51

Confirmation that this activity has been ongoing for 7 years Maedhros Jun 2013 #63

This program of wiretapping without a warrant . . . another_liberal Jun 2013 #54

Since 1979, American courts have taken the view that collecting telephone call records struggle4progress Jun 2013 #135

Technology got ahead . . . another_liberal Jun 2013 #168

The issue is massive blind dragnet. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #244

Simple solution: Don't spy on Americans. End of embarrassing story. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #58

agreed, but this ain't news, or new arely staircase Jun 2013 #69

It appears to be news to a lot of people. And, is finally being discussed. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #70

absolutely arely staircase Jun 2013 #75

Well the President welcomes having this discussion, so he says kenny blankenship Jun 2013 #80

Yep. He "welcomes the discussion" the same way people welcome root canals. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #163

+1, it's what I've been saying all day. SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #76

But, but, but ... Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #59

+1 Spot on. FSogol Jun 2013 #73

Sorry, that just doesn't jibe with reality. Laelth Jun 2013 #195

so you waited six years to get mad about this? arely staircase Jun 2013 #209

Sigh. Laelth Jun 2013 #212

all of that is true but it has been true arely staircase Jun 2013 #213

Would you have preferred it if Greenwald had released this info in Oct. 2012? Laelth Jun 2013 #222

why wait on greenwld when you already knew all of his? arely staircase Jun 2013 #223

Um ... as I said, because this is a better time to have this discussion. n/t Laelth Jun 2013 #225

you've been here for a 18 months. how do you know what people here were saying in 2006? frylock Jun 2013 #251

uh, so you do know non-members can read DU, right? arely staircase Jun 2013 #252

evidently you can't.. frylock Jun 2013 #256

I wonder if this board would react this way if nineteen50 Jun 2013 #60

thank god we will never know? arely staircase Jun 2013 #68

Wrong. It's the first time we've seen the FISA orders Obama promised. DirkGently Jun 2013 #62

Obama promised to end this? arely staircase Jun 2013 #66

Greenwald got a few little specifics RoccoR5955 Jun 2013 #67

Kick and Recommend! FSogol Jun 2013 #72

The Republicans are trying to blame Obama for the crimes committed under Bush. Initech Jun 2013 #81

That is true. But that does not mean this is not news Hissyspit Jun 2013 #105

Thanks for posting this PatSeg Jun 2013 #83

I'm with you Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #85

lol Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #84

There comes a point where you just can't blame it on bush anymore. Skip Intro Jun 2013 #87

If you want the laws to change.. Change Congress. This is nothing new. And, as Cha Jun 2013 #121

By the same token, if you want to ignore the 4th Amendment, repeal the 4th Amendment Dragonfli Jun 2013 #231

No he didn't. DevonRex Jun 2013 #88

"RW operative" Hissyspit Jun 2013 #181

He wrote 3 books and thousands of blog posts against the Bush admin. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #208

Unrec. truebluegreen Jun 2013 #93

Wrong. blackspade Jun 2013 #95

Barack Obama was President in 2006? Hissyspit Jun 2013 #101

You're right and I'm sorry. I'll leave the text below for the reference of those TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #120

My point is the revelation IS news because while we may have thought the program was still going on Hissyspit Jun 2013 #139

K & R SunSeeker Jun 2013 #110

The Gov't LIED to the American public when it claimed only int'l contacts would be targeted, blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #116

It's getting very difficult woo me with science Jun 2013 #178

There was a huge story about the same thing printed in Aug 2012 in NYT. Read the wiki article on the okaawhatever Jun 2013 #122

Kicked and Recommending! sheshe2 Jun 2013 #125

Bush did it too! AgingAmerican Jun 2013 #126

This is another frenzy to feed the haters flamingdem Jun 2013 #127

Blocked from doing what? Union Scribe Jun 2013 #130

Blocked from being able to get past fake outrage and succeed flamingdem Jun 2013 #164

Anything more specific? nt Union Scribe Jun 2013 #173

Blocked? Laelth Jun 2013 #200

This is the new norm Mkap Jun 2013 #129

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2013 #131

You're prevaricaricating and you know it. caseymoz Jun 2013 #133

you say obama said he would stop it, please give us a link arely staircase Jun 2013 #137

Sure I'll give the link. caseymoz Jun 2013 #145

nothing arely staircase Jun 2013 #154

Bush was bypassing FISA and the Congress, and Obama does not. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #203

You mean by getting single warrant for massive surveillance caseymoz Jun 2013 #224

Greenwald is a clown...nt SidDithers Jun 2013 #134

Obama's "Spy on Everyone" policy was already public? My *ass*, it was. MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #144

LOL Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #172

I want to ask the people who are outraged by unjustified power in the NSA and intel agencies: Zen Democrat Jun 2013 #147

Nonsense. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #160

I don't know about you, but I've protested, volunteered, and THOUGHT I was voting for Democrats. WinkyDink Jun 2013 #217

Some of us understand that this is nothing new. However, as it is nothing new, Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #149

The spying on innocent Americans is just as wrong now as it was then Corruption Inc Jun 2013 #155

I watched Faux Snooze earlier this evening to see how they were dealing with it, and . . . Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #157

Why Am I RobinA Jun 2013 #162

Exactly what I've said all along. Jamaal510 Jun 2013 #165

Neat trick isn't it? ucrdem Jun 2013 #179

QFT. ucrdem Jun 2013 #177

Recycled or not, the outrage is perfectly legitimate. Zavulon Jun 2013 #183

The attention this issue is getting belies the OP. Laelth Jun 2013 #185

Easy, you dope Yukari Yakumo Jun 2013 #275

You're such a charming person. ;) Laelth Jun 2013 #276

What is "recycled" is this ploy to downplay peoples legitimate outrage, along with the GoneFishin Jun 2013 #192

It's all part of the GOP scheme Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #193

Apparently you didn't read Greenwald's article. He acknowledges the 2006 NSA revelations. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #194

Why would they read something they don't want to know? Marr Jun 2013 #211

Truthfully, I don't think Bush ever had the same kind of personality cult around him. kenny blankenship Jun 2013 #242

Amen! Highway61 Jun 2013 #198

The minute Obama weakens the Patriot Act sellitman Jun 2013 #205

If it's such a non-story, why is Obama making speeches about it and pursuing the "leaker"? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #221

2006 is just the latest trickle in the rain... Vilis Veritas Jun 2013 #226

"Hey, NSA, I never had a big brother, so thanks!" The Blue Flower Jun 2013 #227

Same shit different day (NT) The Wizard Jun 2013 #233

Greenwald has been writing about the issue since 2006, so no it's not, Hissyspit Jun 2013 #237

Bingo! Scurrilous Jun 2013 #241

This is NOT a fake scandal. It's a continuation of Bush admin policies Roland99 Jun 2013 #243

Spying on us is outrageous. I'm glad the issue is finally getting some attention. nt limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #246

K&R great white snark Jun 2013 #248

Greenwald is scum. MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #261

Breitbart of the Left? No, he's a Libertarian ratfucker working to elect conservatives. freshwest Jun 2013 #269

a ratfucker if there ever was one. MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #277

Pardon me but DonCoquixote Jun 2013 #262

In fact the only thing new is that it confirms the Obama admin is doing it legally. DCBob Jun 2013 #272

Did you support it in 2007? nt Bonobo Jun 2013 #274