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Warren DeMontague

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51. Yeah, that's a natural assumption. Interestingly enough, though, if you look at the PATRIOT Act

Fri Jun 7, 2013, 10:47 PM

Jun 2013

and specifically how these "special terror fighting powers" have actually been used;

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blogpost/post/patriot-act-used-to-fight-more-drug-dealers-than-terrorists/2011/09/07/gIQAcmEBAK_blog.html

So how has the Patriot Act fared as a defense against terrorism? The act has been used in 1,618 drug cases and only 15 terrorism cases.

the reality is it's been sort of a blank check to go after the things they wanted to go after to begin with.

I agree with you- I think in an era when one or a small group of crazies can do a lot of damage, I want the gov't to be hypervigilant. But I think the hypervigilance and constitution-trampling were sold using "terrorism" and then used for the same old shit.

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The President did say he thought some of his powers should be curtailed [View all] BainsBane Jun 2013 OP

Nobody complained about George bush on this? Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #1

I took a quick look around some right wing forums this morniing. They don't appear all that ..... wandy Jun 2013 #6

Or they simply don't see it as a problem BainsBane Jun 2013 #8

My right-wing fundy sister certainly seems to have latched onto this story... Silent3 Jun 2013 #25

And well she should be! Why else would a conservative news source just leak something......... wandy Jun 2013 #28

Some of us did. Some of us didn't. What do YOU intend to do now? DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #7

Lots of people complained about George Bush. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #18

but we didn't hear much about it in the media Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #19

Wow, so there is a moment to be seized, right? woo me with science Jun 2013 #23

For us it has been a big issue - long before and during Bush and Cheney Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #31

So why are you posting as though outrage were unwarranted, woo me with science Jun 2013 #33

I think that you are missing the point Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #43

Has Obama been running roughshod over our liberties, just to demonstrate how bad the Patriot Act is? BlueStreak Jun 2013 #2

No BainsBane Jun 2013 #3

So what? If he really had any compass, he'd limit himself. Fucking "the devil made me do it" TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #4

The question is do you just want to be pissed off BainsBane Jun 2013 #5

A good start would be getting rid of the dam patriot act................ wandy Jun 2013 #9

I would like to see that BainsBane Jun 2013 #10

Looks like the problem is the 2008 FISA expansion. dkf Jun 2013 #26

I heard today that some of this is authorized BainsBane Jun 2013 #45

agreed. lame. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2013 #50

I've noticed several Republican voters are highly upset by this implementation of the Patriot Act. Lone_Star_Dem Jun 2013 #11

It had occurred to me that this could be an opportunity BainsBane Jun 2013 #12

I agree gollygee Jun 2013 #13

I just heard on Andrew Mitchell that BainsBane Jun 2013 #14

He could start by LWolf Jun 2013 #15

The question is not what he will do BainsBane Jun 2013 #16

What WILL you do? LWolf Jun 2013 #17

Pressure congress to change the law BainsBane Jun 2013 #20

Pressure? How? LWolf Jun 2013 #24

Phone calls, emails, letters BainsBane Jun 2013 #32

And when they ignore LWolf Jun 2013 #37

Firstly, I don't give money BainsBane Jun 2013 #46

No, that's not what I asked. LWolf Jun 2013 #47

Well my congressman is Keith Ellison BainsBane Jun 2013 #48

My Congressman is Greg Walden, LWolf Jun 2013 #49

is this one of those "make me (him) do it" things where he or his supporter cleverly puts the onus boilerbabe Jun 2013 #21

It's one of these BainsBane Jun 2013 #22

What is the Roberts Court's view of the 4th Amendment is the real question. madinmaryland Jun 2013 #27

Unfortunately, I heard today that BainsBane Jun 2013 #35

Ironically, one of the authors of the Patriot act is calling to limit the patriot act: Raine1967 Jun 2013 #29

That is good news BainsBane Jun 2013 #38

President Obama hamster Jun 2013 #30

Then he needs to get rid of Holder & put in an AG who doesn't incarcerate medical marijuana patients Warren DeMontague Jun 2013 #36

Actually the Constitution needs us to have its back BainsBane Jun 2013 #40

If we want to stop pretending the 4th Amendment doesn't exist, we need to end the drug war. Warren DeMontague Jun 2013 #34

Okay BainsBane Jun 2013 #39

It's pretty hard to have a discussion about what has happened to the 4A, however, without Warren DeMontague Jun 2013 #42

I guess I don't see the immediate connection you do BainsBane Jun 2013 #44

Yeah, that's a natural assumption. Interestingly enough, though, if you look at the PATRIOT Act Warren DeMontague Jun 2013 #51

I didn't realize that BainsBane Jun 2013 #52

Odd, innit? Warren DeMontague Jun 2013 #53

The same with presidential power BainsBane Jun 2013 #54

We just need hamster Jun 2013 #41