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Cha

(299,519 posts)
4. thanks for laying this out, ProSense..
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 12:26 AM
Jun 2013
We are shocked, shocked…

snip**

"The question is not should the resulting data exist. It does. And it forever will, to a greater and greater extent. And therefore, the present-day question can’t seriously be this: Should law enforcement in the legitimate pursuit of criminal activity pretend that such data does not exist. The question is more fundamental: Is government accessing the data for the legitimate public safety needs of the society, or are they accessing it in ways that abuse individual liberties and violate personal privacy — and in a manner that is unsupervised.

And to that, the Guardian and those who are wailing jeremiads about this pretend-discovery of
U.S. big data collection are noticeably silent. We don’t know of any actual abuse
. No known illegal wiretaps, no indications of FISA-court approved intercepts of innocent Americans that occurred because weak probable cause was acceptable. Mark you, that stuff may be happening. As happens the case with all law enforcement capability, it will certainly happen at some point, if it hasn’t already. Any data asset that can be properly and legally invoked, can also be misused — particularly without careful oversight. But that of course has always been the case with electronic surveillance of any kind.

***snip

Much More..
http://davidsimon.com/we-are-shocked-shocked/

h/t http://theobamadiary.com/2013/06/07/facts-always-win-over-feigned-outrage/ I Love It when I wake up in the morning and Barack Obama is President

We do not believe that Mr. Obama is deliberately violating Americans’ rights as Mr. Bush did, and it is to his credit that the government acknowledged part of the problem in April.


But, oh yeah "bush=President Obama"!!111.. for lazyass thinking, yeah.

What can we all agree on? [View all] ProSense Jun 2013 OP
Very well said. Kath1 Jun 2013 #1
Obama doesn't have a wand, how's about that!!! Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #2
That our Dem leaders & the POTUS were quick to decry the extra scrutiny of the Tea Party FREAKS usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #3
Why are you so focused on the "Tea Party FREAKS" ProSense Jun 2013 #5
It's something he read on the internets. Cha Jun 2013 #6
yeah, the same place you get your info. nt boilerbabe Jun 2013 #7
I very much doubt that. Cha Jun 2013 #9
Because of the disparity of the reaction to them being scrutinized vs ALL the American people. usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #13
thanks for laying this out, ProSense.. Cha Jun 2013 #4
kick Liberal_in_LA Jun 2013 #8
Kick and Rec! sheshe2 Jun 2013 #10
I'm done arguing about. There is nothing blue dogs can say to make us liberals feel better and there liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #11
Vote your conscious and your heart. Iliyah Jun 2013 #14
And more ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #12
K & R SunSeeker Jun 2013 #15
No more tracking of innocent Americans. Please. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #16
"what if (sic) someone on your list has a nervous breakdown and does something crazy?" Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #20
In March of this year, the Supreme Court denied the plaintiffs standing cheapdate Jun 2013 #17
My father is a Vietnam Vet Iliyah Jun 2013 #18
We have the first President that was born after the 50's... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #19
Sadly, no solutions are being offered. Why not? Laelth Jun 2013 #21
. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #22
That makes no sense. n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #23
It depends on who "we" are. LWolf Jun 2013 #24
Yup. Let the democracy speak. gulliver Jun 2013 #25
Very well articulated. Many are upset on DU because he did not keep his promise still_one Jun 2013 #26
No matter what, you circle the wagons whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #27
It takes a village, AND it takes a great person to say "if you build it, they will come" graham4anything Jun 2013 #28
do your talking points come to you via fax or email? Celldweller Jun 2013 #29
No, it is called looking at the whole story! Lady Freedom Returns Jun 2013 #32
What are you implying? MineralMan Jun 2013 #33
I agree. This is about something we should all agree on. We used to agree on sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #30
can we agree about the Military Industrial Complex ? olddots Jun 2013 #31
Can we all agree on this........? suston96 Jun 2013 #34
We should all be able to agree that Obama should let the courts review its constitutionality. dkf Jun 2013 #35
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