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In reply to the discussion: What can we all agree on? [View all]Cha
(299,519 posts)4. thanks for laying this out, ProSense..
We are shocked, shocked
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"The question is not should the resulting data exist. It does. And it forever will, to a greater and greater extent. And therefore, the present-day question cant seriously be this: Should law enforcement in the legitimate pursuit of criminal activity pretend that such data does not exist. The question is more fundamental: Is government accessing the data for the legitimate public safety needs of the society, or are they accessing it in ways that abuse individual liberties and violate personal privacy and in a manner that is unsupervised.
And to that, the Guardian and those who are wailing jeremiads about this pretend-discovery of
U.S. big data collection are noticeably silent. We dont know of any actual abuse. No known illegal wiretaps, no indications of FISA-court approved intercepts of innocent Americans that occurred because weak probable cause was acceptable. Mark you, that stuff may be happening. As happens the case with all law enforcement capability, it will certainly happen at some point, if it hasnt already. Any data asset that can be properly and legally invoked, can also be misused particularly without careful oversight. But that of course has always been the case with electronic surveillance of any kind.
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Much More..
http://davidsimon.com/we-are-shocked-shocked/
h/t http://theobamadiary.com/2013/06/07/facts-always-win-over-feigned-outrage/ I Love It when I wake up in the morning and Barack Obama is President
We do not believe that Mr. Obama is deliberately violating Americans rights as Mr. Bush did, and it is to his credit that the government acknowledged part of the problem in April.
But, oh yeah "bush=President Obama"!!111.. for lazyass thinking, yeah.
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That our Dem leaders & the POTUS were quick to decry the extra scrutiny of the Tea Party FREAKS
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jun 2013
#3
Because of the disparity of the reaction to them being scrutinized vs ALL the American people.
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jun 2013
#13
I'm done arguing about. There is nothing blue dogs can say to make us liberals feel better and there
liberal_at_heart
Jun 2013
#11
"what if (sic) someone on your list has a nervous breakdown and does something crazy?"
Spitfire of ATJ
Jun 2013
#20
Very well articulated. Many are upset on DU because he did not keep his promise
still_one
Jun 2013
#26
It takes a village, AND it takes a great person to say "if you build it, they will come"
graham4anything
Jun 2013
#28