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LuvLoogie

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70. There is an alternative

Sat Jun 8, 2013, 10:43 AM

Jun 2013

There is an alternative to getting all ascared and mad. We are/have been under surveillance since whenever it was possible. We all have elected the government we've got. Inasmuch as some of us try to be super secret rebels in our hidey holes, we act not unlike the bunker monkeys on the right. You want anonymity. Become a grain of sand in the dunes. Or become a computer forensics expert.

Live proudly and openly. Nobody can keep a secret. Their only alternative is to nuke us all. Screw 'em. Don't stay home and sulk. Paint a big "Fuck You!" on your roof top.

Vote for Progressive Lefties in the primaries. And for the Democrat in the general. It's time for the big tug. You're gonna get muddy. Possibly twist a knee and pull a muscle or two.

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White House Invokes �STATE PRIVILEGE� To HALT Inquiries Into Data Mining [View all] Segami Jun 2013 OP

Anybody who thinks Eric Holder doesn't do anything BlueStreak Jun 2013 #1

Hmm,...sounds familiar. Segami Jun 2013 #2

These are not stupid men BlueStreak Jun 2013 #4

I don't think of them as stupid men. Segami Jun 2013 #5

I hear ya. I fall into this trap, myself, from time to time. And you're right, it's... Poll_Blind Jun 2013 #6

I am the same way -- all the time, and you are right about cognitive dissonance BlueStreak Jun 2013 #7

Vile, not stupid, and this is 0bama's system of governance. byeya Jun 2013 #37

The assimilation is complete. Bwahahahaha BlueStreak Jun 2013 #65

Why did they quickly shut-down the extra scrutiny given TeaBag FREAKS yet want to maintain usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #3

Can you show when and where there was "extra scrutiny given TeaBag FREAKS" Coyotl Jun 2013 #69

Haha. The Bush Administration used it 23 times in 5 years. Little known? Bullshit. DevonRex Jun 2013 #8

But it feels soooo good. freshwest Jun 2013 #9

It must. DevonRex Jun 2013 #11

Thanks for pointing this out ... brett_jv Jun 2013 #17

+1,000 freshwest Jun 2013 #18

I've edited my post since you replied ... brett_jv Jun 2013 #21

You did well. There are posts I learned a lot from a long-time DUers. I saved them to read again. freshwest Jun 2013 #22

Progressives don't need this to turn against 0bama. There's a myriad of other deceitful byeya Jun 2013 #39

I totally agree Freddie Jun 2013 #34

Ah yes, defenses #1 and #3 -- Nothing New/The Republicans are Worse LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #46

Ah yes, ... FUDr meme 4 and 7 obfuscate the point and act like there's no difference between two uponit7771 Jun 2013 #96

This is the first post on the matter that has hooked me. pacalo Jun 2013 #67

I totally agree. I've been saying this is an obvious DevonRex Jun 2013 #85

Thanks for making me feel like I'm maybe not crazy ... brett_jv Jun 2013 #87

It makes sense to me that he would get the info Mojorabbit Jun 2013 #93

The bush administration is gone. Twofish Jun 2013 #58

The Bush Administration did an awful that WE disapproved of. Since when did the Bush War Criminals sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #77

Crying wolf must be addictive. tridim Jun 2013 #102

It's getting ridiculous. DevonRex Jun 2013 #103

Good, they ain't playin' around.. Cha Jun 2013 #10

The people who wrote the Constitution created three JDPriestly Jun 2013 #13

"this rule makes the president and his security administration into a dictatorship" marmar Jun 2013 #14

I, for one, am not 'fine with it' ... however, I consider the 'alternative' to be worse ... brett_jv Jun 2013 #20

So to make sure I understand your point. Savannahmann Jun 2013 #43

My issue is mostly in the way things are being represented in the Media brett_jv Jun 2013 #88

Bravo, JD ReRe Jun 2013 #16

If Congress feels a president is abusing power, they have a host of options to check him tritsofme Jun 2013 #23

+1000 Segami Jun 2013 #53

K&R marmar Jun 2013 #12

Pres O is now a dictator. Iliyah Jun 2013 #15

This is becoming surreal LittleBlue Jun 2013 #19

Ben Franklin once said: unhappycamper Jun 2013 #24

Thank you for remembering. Nimajneb Nilknarf Jun 2013 #63

The privilege is not obscure; the judges reviewed the documents and agreed with its assertion. FarCenter Jun 2013 #25

People are just trying to make President Obama look bad hamster Jun 2013 #26

I'm sure he'll be pleased reading this. Heh. WinkyDink Jun 2013 #29

President Obama's got this. hamster Jun 2013 #30

Wow, blind love. How touching LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #47

It's not President Obama's fault hamster Jun 2013 #48

No, it's never Obama's fault LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #49

At least I have President Obama's back. hamster Jun 2013 #52

Oh you do? I was not sure about that yet... Agschmid Jun 2013 #57

So if the President was against this, you would be too? Marrah_G Jun 2013 #111

And another thing... hamster Jun 2013 #54

Sweet, more hackneyed tropes LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #105

Nope wrong. Agschmid Jun 2013 #56

yeah, chippin away. hamster Jun 2013 #61

You won't. Agschmid Jun 2013 #62

Well thank you hamster Jun 2013 #66

FUDr response 1 and 5; ad hominem condenscending tone and then state Obama is bad person... uponit7771 Jun 2013 #97

Wow, your reading comprehension is for shit. LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #106

Bravo! Blecht Jun 2013 #75

This message was self-deleted by its author hamster Jun 2013 #84

makes me wonder Niceguy1 Jun 2013 #27

Do all gov't lawyers graduate from the Faust Law School? WinkyDink Jun 2013 #28

All lawyers graduate from the Faust Law School FarCenter Jun 2013 #31

That's why God operates on Grace and not Law. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #33

I thought defense lawyers operated under "DA, DT." WinkyDink Jun 2013 #38

The defendant may tell or the evidence known to the lawyer may be clear FarCenter Jun 2013 #74

IN law school you do learn about the evidence and other privileges treestar Jun 2013 #45

Never took the bar exam. But I never sold my soul to defend twisted govt policies, either. WinkyDink Jun 2013 #80

Then you know nothing about the state secrets privilege? treestar Jun 2013 #81

So much for the "It's just mundane meta-data" defense. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #32

Maybe because the fewer people who know, the fewer chances someone will leak? randome Jun 2013 #35

Mother Jones is reporting judicial reviewers told them to blow it out their hineys. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #41

Because in the intelligence business, you do not reveal your means and methods FarCenter Jun 2013 #36

We already know the means and methods. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #42

That sounds strangely... ...familiar. Nimajneb Nilknarf Jun 2013 #40

I knew there was going to be a dust up when you found out about the state secrets privilege! treestar Jun 2013 #44

President Obama's got this. hamster Jun 2013 #50

So what have you gotten out of your DU... Agschmid Jun 2013 #59

I've gotten a chance to show hamster Jun 2013 #83

Please stop... ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #113

I've only ever seen fall4anything use those words. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #73

It's ssooooooooooooooooo obvious. Puglover Jun 2013 #116

nixon Faryn Balyncd Jun 2013 #51

Nixon can only stare in slack jawed wondrous admiration from his fiery niche in Hell kenny blankenship Jun 2013 #79

Bush used it to cover up his own criminal conduct of illegally spying. Coyotl Jun 2013 #55

I'm more concerned about addressing the crimes currently being committed. Twofish Jun 2013 #64

So are the people at the NSA, FBI, DCI, White House, and DU Coyotl Jun 2013 #68

You assume wrong. Twofish Jun 2013 #78

Do you have some "crimes" to report? Please, sir, continue. Coyotl Jun 2013 #86

18 USC � 242 - Deprivation of rights under color of law Twofish Jun 2013 #91

And who are you saying is breaking the law, please continue. Coyotl Jun 2013 #94

The federal government. Twofish Jun 2013 #95

If that's the case, don't you think the previous administration should be put on trial as well? n/t Ian David Jun 2013 #109

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #114

And while Bush was pResident, did you ever express the opinion that he should be impeached? n/t Ian David Jun 2013 #115

Your concern is duly noted. n/t Ian David Jun 2013 #108

He couldn't invoke "Executive Privilege" Le Taz Hot Jun 2013 #60

There is an alternative LuvLoogie Jun 2013 #70

No thanks, I demand my civil liberties be treated as sacred and to hell with anyone who does not TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #71

Only one senator voted against the Patriot Act. LuvLoogie Jun 2013 #82

Ask Sibel Edmonds about that 'little known' thingy. n/t hootinholler Jun 2013 #72

This Administration is getting more shameful everyday. morningfog Jun 2013 #76

K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #89

The caps for emphasis is a nice touch. Now all you need is an ominous DA DA DUM sound. great white snark Jun 2013 #90

This article is a joke ... brett_jv Jun 2013 #92

***THIS IS ANOTHER BS FUDR POST*** Link Inside uponit7771 Jun 2013 #98

What is FUDR ? That's another one I haven't figured out n/t Autumn Jun 2013 #99

Apparently it is anyone that doesn't immediately support every action LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #107

ACLU: DOJ Tells Court It's Reconsidering Secrecy Surrounding Patriot Act's Spying Powers ProSense Jun 2013 #100

FU, Obama. alarimer Jun 2013 #101

What Bush did was illegal, what did Obama do that was illegal? Regards uponit7771 Jun 2013 #104

Why not rent a blimp sporting an "Our position is indefensible" sign? winter is coming Jun 2013 #110

Do you have a link for when and how they invoked that in the case of this data mining? pnwmom Jun 2013 #112