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34. It's all in the leaked warrant.

Sat Jun 8, 2013, 01:43 PM

Jun 2013

It clearly outlines what can be gathered (originating and terminating numbers, duration, calling card # and some other ID numbers that I'm not sure what they are because I do not work for a telecom) and what CANNOT be gathered (name, address and financial info of the people). It even cites the relevant law that prevents this from being done.
So if they aren't following the law and are actually wiretapping citizens with no probable cause, why would all these safeguards saying they weren't doing that be documented in a classified warrant? If they're just trying to fool you by saying that they aren't collecting personal information and eavesdropping on your calls, why keep the warrant a secret? Did they just leak it to Greenwald to provide cover for their more clandestine activities?

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There is no Obama policy of spying on everyone and no domestic spying [View all] ProSense Jun 2013 OP

keep telling yourself that. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #1

What, that facts matter? n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #2

You know folks it's the FBI that does the domestic spying, don't you? xtraxritical Jun 2013 #76

You're a hell of a lot more trusting of the govt. than I am. premium Jun 2013 #3

It's all in the leaked warrant. sweetloukillbot Jun 2013 #34

And therein lies the rub, premium Jun 2013 #39

If that's the case then why is Greenwald a hero for privacy rights people right now? sweetloukillbot Jun 2013 #58

Quite possibly an unwitting govt. patsy? premium Jun 2013 #62

DNI has determined there are cases where the constitution was violated but the admin is blocking dkf Jun 2013 #60

Secret courts? No recourse to challenge a secret warrant? premium Jun 2013 #67

We're suppost to trust those that don't trust us. Get it? L0oniX Jun 2013 #43

Ahhhh, that's what I'm missing, premium Jun 2013 #46

+1...nt Jesus Malverde Jun 2013 #85

Try Somalia if you don't trust government, they don't have one. xtraxritical Jun 2013 #79

Wow, Pro. You're working overtime today. Laelth Jun 2013 #4

That's pure spin. n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #5

What's spin? premium Jun 2013 #8

Smile. Pro, you and I are allies in the long run, but ... Laelth Jun 2013 #12

I'm smiling. ProSense Jun 2013 #13

Let me address this: ProSense Jun 2013 #6

It always makes me smile greytdemocrat Jun 2013 #28

Facts don't seem to work these days Andy823 Jun 2013 #64

I don't believe that. I think there are secret policies we don't know about. reformist2 Jun 2013 #7

Euphemisms: Data collecting, incidentally aquired....collateral damage. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #9

Technically it is Bush's policy..... midnight Jun 2013 #10

Not while Obama is President. Laelth Jun 2013 #16

Yes... because on his watch he signed the reauthorization... And sadly the mess is squarely midnight Jun 2013 #19

It's not just that. Laelth Jun 2013 #20

But if he's lying about his birth certificate he's lying about everything! ucrdem Jun 2013 #11

Listen to the man if you don't believe ProSense: ucrdem Jun 2013 #14

You can't talk me into believing a steaming pile of shit is a rose DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #15

My weekend movie suggestion this week is "The President's Analyst". Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #17

Founding principles? Quaint anachronisms. meaculpa2011 Jun 2013 #18

Bush lied too about warrantless wire tapping, who it targeted, what countries, etc.. GoneFishin Jun 2013 #22

When the FBI does it it's "surveillance" and no one has a problem with that. xtraxritical Jun 2013 #84

Let me know when the FBI secretly casts the largest dragnet in history DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #94

I have to provisionally stand with ProSense here. longship Jun 2013 #21

Except that PRISM is a new revelation, and old or new, it is disgusting. GoneFishin Jun 2013 #23

Probably only the name. longship Jun 2013 #30

Keith rocked. Loved his special comments. GoneFishin Jun 2013 #35

I miss Keith. Although I heard he just got a new job in sports broadcasting with TBS. AnnieK401 Jun 2013 #75

Baseball has been very good to him. longship Jun 2013 #77

Let's hope KO mimi85 Jun 2013 #134

I'm hoping this is satire Skittles Jun 2013 #26

Nope. Not satire. longship Jun 2013 #42

"I don't know that he believes anything other than what he has told us, either." Skittles Jun 2013 #118

Not naive, friend. longship Jun 2013 #119

I would kill to be that naive Skittles Jun 2013 #127

Meh. I said what I wanted to say. nt longship Jun 2013 #129

That's the mode at DU these days Kolesar Jun 2013 #88

Too much chair throwing going on around here. longship Jun 2013 #90

LOL - assume much? Skittles Jun 2013 #130

Prosenses goall is to not have any dislike of Obama! n-t Logical Jun 2013 #124

You paint with a broad brush there, my friend. longship Jun 2013 #126

you have no opinion of ProSense's opinion Skittles Jun 2013 #132

I don't care about other people's opinions... longship Jun 2013 #136

the only difference Skittles Jun 2013 #137

They're called sources, my friend. longship Jun 2013 #138

Propagandasaurus and the dreaded Blue Linkies Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #24

Jury results. Decoy of Fenris Jun 2013 #51

Hee. Hee. I had to lol at the alert too. dkf Jun 2013 #56

I am in love with the juror #6! ROTFLOL @ alerter - priceless, thank you for the laugh! idwiyo Jun 2013 #115

I assume prosense alerted this. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #125

I would not assume that Skittles Jun 2013 #131

Oh Gawd stop warrprayer Jun 2013 #82

Wow, you're so clever. n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #92

Coffee all over iPad, chair, floor... Thank you! idwiyo Jun 2013 #114

is this the best you can pull out of your database? Skittles Jun 2013 #25

'Surveillance is Privacy' markiv Jun 2013 #27

Believing The Official Pronouncements Of A Government With An Official Domestic Spying Program? cantbeserious Jun 2013 #29

is that you, Squealer? markiv Jun 2013 #31

The blue pill has been swallowed. neverforget Jun 2013 #32

It's pretty clear to me that President Obama isn't in charge of policy when it comes to spying kestrel91316 Jun 2013 #33

I think this extends to other areas also. Not excusing him, just saying where the hell GoneFishin Jun 2013 #38

I think he's been told to keep his nose out of certain things unless he wants to see his family come kestrel91316 Jun 2013 #40

If he's the coward you're implying he is, he should have resigned immediately DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #54

FWIW, I think any president who challenges the status quo gets the same thing. kestrel91316 Jun 2013 #87

I genuinely don't know what happened. It was a big lurch to the right. GoneFishin Jun 2013 #98

To quote the President. deathrind Jun 2013 #36

We don't have 100% security WITH domestic spying. n/t jtuck004 Jun 2013 #52

Or with tips from the Russians either. dkf Jun 2013 #78

Exactly. It will come to resemble East Germany, as we cower behind our fences, afraid of each other. jtuck004 Jun 2013 #97

Pathetic. Matariki Jun 2013 #37

+1 L0oniX Jun 2013 #41

+1 leftstreet Jun 2013 #45

+1 Marr Jun 2013 #70

+1 grntuscarora Jun 2013 #99

+1 Safetykitten Jun 2013 #102

+ infinity woo me with science Jun 2013 #106

Thx for the fact filled post fill of sources and quotes that backs up this claim...I'll make sure to uponit7771 Jun 2013 #135

REMAIN CALM! ALL IS WELL!!! OnyxCollie Jun 2013 #44

I guess that nowhere in the millions upon millions of classified documents SomethingFishy Jun 2013 #47

Thanks ProSense! Iliyah Jun 2013 #48

Truth to tell, Morning Dew Jun 2013 #65

Bullshit. Fuddnik Jun 2013 #49

Because history is irrelevant and the government would never ever lie or obfuscate. cali Jun 2013 #50

Dude. WilliamPitt Jun 2013 #53

Dude Cha Jun 2013 #61

"Dude" ProSense Jun 2013 #93

Horse pucky. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #55

Thank you +1 Politicub Jun 2013 #57

And when it eventually comes out that the domestic spying is a hell of a lot more than Marr Jun 2013 #59

Facts don't matter.. not to an Cha Jun 2013 #63

LOL Iliyah Jun 2013 #68

oh please, this is no time for sarcasm Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #66

as long as they are not spying - just collecting data - Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #69

Thank You for Today's Comedy. bvar22 Jun 2013 #71

+1 NealK Jun 2013 #81

Exactly! TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #96

Thanks Prosense! Scurrilous Jun 2013 #72

This is exactly what Bush*/Cheney said. TransitJohn Jun 2013 #73

Did you read it? Kolesar Jun 2013 #89

The Reality Jessy169 Jun 2013 #74

"When Obama starts opening our letters and hanging outside my house to listen to sibelian Jun 2013 #91

He's not taking pictures of your wife, he's gathering light beam meta data through an optical GoneFishin Jun 2013 #100

Boom derby378 Jun 2013 #101

reccing for irony warrprayer Jun 2013 #80

I have to say I admire your steadfastness. dkf Jun 2013 #83

Chained CPI Kolesar Jun 2013 #95

:))) warrprayer Jun 2013 #86

DOUBLETHINK woo me with science Jun 2013 #103

Clownish ProSense Jun 2013 #105

ACLU: DOJ Tells Court It's Reconsidering Secrecy Surrounding Patriot Act's Spying Powers ProSense Jun 2013 #104

Reminds me of this guy Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #107

Reminds me ProSense Jun 2013 #109

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA woo me with science Jun 2013 #108

Ha ha ProSense Jun 2013 #110

You should have included that in your original post. woo me with science Jun 2013 #111

You need ProSense Jun 2013 #112

You DON'T say. Dreamer Tatum Jun 2013 #113

Prosense always stands behind Obama. woo me with science Jun 2013 #116

Hi ProSense Jun 2013 #121

Excellent choice. I recommend it for all your spin. woo me with science Jun 2013 #122

Wow... And Oy Vey... WillyT Jun 2013 #117

Here, these ProSense Jun 2013 #120

Your check is in the mail Baghdad Bob. DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #123

It's no surprise that you'd support this. Apophis Jun 2013 #128

Typical apoligista BULL SHIT. 99Forever Jun 2013 #133

You didn't even manage three whole sentences. Kolesar Jun 2013 #140

Oh gee... 99Forever Jun 2013 #141

thanks for posting facts JI7 Jun 2013 #139