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In reply to the discussion: Obama's "Spy on Everyone" policy was already public? My *ass*, it was. [View all]NewEngland4Obama
(414 posts)185. Its was made PUBLIC in 2006. Where have you been?????????????????
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-05-10-nsa_x.htm
NSA has massive database of Americans' phone calls
Updated 5/11/2006 10:38 AM ET Share on emailE-mail | Share on printPrint | Reprints & Permissions | Subscribe to stories like this
Gen. Michael Hayden, nominated by President Bush to become the director of the CIA, headed the NSA from March 1999 to April 2005. In that post, Hayden would have overseen the agency's domestic phone record collection program.
Enlarge By Roger Wollenberg, Getty Images
Gen. Michael Hayden, nominated by President Bush to become the director of the CIA, headed the NSA from March 1999 to April 2005. In that post, Hayden would have overseen the agency's domestic phone record collection program.
REACTION
From the White House:
The White House defended its overall eavesdropping program and said no domestic surveillance is conducted without court approval.
''The intelligence activities undertaken by the United States government are lawful, necessary and required to protect Americans from terrorist attacks,'' said Dana Perino, the deputy White House press secretary, who added that appropriate members of Congress have been briefed on intelligence activities.
From Capitol Hill:
Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, said he would call the phone companies to appear before the panel ''to find out exactly what is going on.''
Sen. Patrick Leahy of Vermont, the ranking Democrat on the panel, sounded incredulous about the latest report and railed against what he called a lack of congressional oversight. He argued that the media was doing the job of Congress.
''Are you telling me that tens of millions of Americans are involved with al Qaeda?'' Leahy asked. ''These are tens of millions of Americans who are not suspected of anything ... Where does it stop?''
The Democrat, who at one point held up a copy of the newspaper, added: ''Shame on us for being so far behind and being so willing to rubber stamp anything this administration does. We ought to fold our tents.''
The report came as the former NSA director, Gen. Michael Hayden - Bush's choice to take over leadership of the CIA - had been scheduled to visit lawmakers on Capitol Hill Thursday. However, the meetings with Republican Sens. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania and Lisa Murkowski of Alaska were postponed at the request of the White House, said congressional aides in the two Senate offices.
Source: The Associated Press
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TIMELINE
OFFICIAL WORDS ON SURVEILLANCE
Bush administration officials have said repeatedly that the warrantless surveillance program authorized by President Bush after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks is carefully targeted to include only international calls and e-mails into or out of the USA, and only those that involve at least one party suspected of being a member or ally of al-Qaeda or a related terror group.
Some comments related to what the administration calls the "Terrorist Surveillance Program," and surveillance in general:
Gen. Michael Hayden, principal deputy director of national intelligence, and now Bush's nominee to head the CIA, at the National Press Club, Jan. 23, 2006:
"The program ... is not a drift net over (U.S. cities such as) Dearborn or Lackawanna or Fremont, grabbing conversations that we then sort out by these alleged keyword searches or data-mining tools or other devices that so-called experts keep talking about.
"This is targeted and focused. This is not about intercepting conversations between people in the United States. This is hot pursuit of communications entering or leaving America involving someone we believe is associated with al-Qaeda. ... This is focused. It's targeted. It's very carefully done. You shouldn't worry."
Senate Judiciary Committee hearing, Feb. 6, 2006:
Attorney General Alberto Gonzales: "Only international communications are authorized for interception under this program. That is, communications between a foreign country and this country. ...
"To protect the privacy of Americans still further, the NSA employs safeguards to minimize the unnecessary collection and dissemination of information about U.S. persons."
Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del.: "I don't understand why you would limit your eavesdropping only to foreign conversations. ..."
Gonzales: "I believe it's because of trying to balance concerns that might arise that, in fact, the NSA was engaged in electronic surveillance with respect to domestic calls."
By Leslie Cauley, USA TODAY
The National Security Agency has been secretly collecting the phone call records of tens of millions of Americans, using data provided by AT&T, Verizon and BellSouth, people with direct knowledge of the arrangement told USA TODAY.
The NSA program reaches into homes and businesses across the nation by amassing information about the calls of ordinary Americans most of whom aren't suspected of any crime. This program does not involve the NSA listening to or recording conversations. But the spy agency is using the data to analyze calling patterns in an effort to detect terrorist activity, sources said in separate interviews.
QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS: The NSA record collection program
"It's the largest database ever assembled in the world," said one person, who, like the others who agreed to talk about the NSA's activities, declined to be identified by name or affiliation. The agency's goal is "to create a database of every call ever made" within the nation's borders, this person added.
For the customers of these companies, it means that the government has detailed records of calls they made across town or across the country to family members, co-workers, business contacts and others.
The three telecommunications companies are working under contract with the NSA, which launched the program in 2001 shortly after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, the sources said. The program is aimed at identifying and tracking suspected terrorists, they said.
The sources would talk only under a guarantee of anonymity because the NSA program is secret.
Air Force Gen. Michael Hayden, nominated Monday by President Bush to become the director of the CIA, headed the NSA from March 1999 to April 2005. In that post, Hayden would have overseen the agency's domestic call-tracking program. Hayden declined to comment about the program.
The NSA's domestic program, as described by sources, is far more expansive than what the White House has acknowledged. Last year, Bush said he had authorized the NSA to eavesdrop without warrants on international calls and international e-mails of people suspected of having links to terrorists when one party to the communication is in the USA. Warrants have also not been used in the NSA's efforts to create a national call database.
NSA has massive database of Americans' phone calls
Updated 5/11/2006 10:38 AM ET Share on emailE-mail | Share on printPrint | Reprints & Permissions | Subscribe to stories like this
Gen. Michael Hayden, nominated by President Bush to become the director of the CIA, headed the NSA from March 1999 to April 2005. In that post, Hayden would have overseen the agency's domestic phone record collection program.
Enlarge By Roger Wollenberg, Getty Images
Gen. Michael Hayden, nominated by President Bush to become the director of the CIA, headed the NSA from March 1999 to April 2005. In that post, Hayden would have overseen the agency's domestic phone record collection program.
REACTION
From the White House:
The White House defended its overall eavesdropping program and said no domestic surveillance is conducted without court approval.
''The intelligence activities undertaken by the United States government are lawful, necessary and required to protect Americans from terrorist attacks,'' said Dana Perino, the deputy White House press secretary, who added that appropriate members of Congress have been briefed on intelligence activities.
From Capitol Hill:
Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, said he would call the phone companies to appear before the panel ''to find out exactly what is going on.''
Sen. Patrick Leahy of Vermont, the ranking Democrat on the panel, sounded incredulous about the latest report and railed against what he called a lack of congressional oversight. He argued that the media was doing the job of Congress.
''Are you telling me that tens of millions of Americans are involved with al Qaeda?'' Leahy asked. ''These are tens of millions of Americans who are not suspected of anything ... Where does it stop?''
The Democrat, who at one point held up a copy of the newspaper, added: ''Shame on us for being so far behind and being so willing to rubber stamp anything this administration does. We ought to fold our tents.''
The report came as the former NSA director, Gen. Michael Hayden - Bush's choice to take over leadership of the CIA - had been scheduled to visit lawmakers on Capitol Hill Thursday. However, the meetings with Republican Sens. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania and Lisa Murkowski of Alaska were postponed at the request of the White House, said congressional aides in the two Senate offices.
Source: The Associated Press
NSA SURVEILLANCE
Opinion: Congress in the dark | Specter: My bill would provide light
ACLU, NSA to head to court
VP pressured panel, Specter says
Senators won't grill phone companies
FCC: NSA probe impossible
Pre-9/11 records help flag suspicious calling
More
TIMELINE
OFFICIAL WORDS ON SURVEILLANCE
Bush administration officials have said repeatedly that the warrantless surveillance program authorized by President Bush after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks is carefully targeted to include only international calls and e-mails into or out of the USA, and only those that involve at least one party suspected of being a member or ally of al-Qaeda or a related terror group.
Some comments related to what the administration calls the "Terrorist Surveillance Program," and surveillance in general:
Gen. Michael Hayden, principal deputy director of national intelligence, and now Bush's nominee to head the CIA, at the National Press Club, Jan. 23, 2006:
"The program ... is not a drift net over (U.S. cities such as) Dearborn or Lackawanna or Fremont, grabbing conversations that we then sort out by these alleged keyword searches or data-mining tools or other devices that so-called experts keep talking about.
"This is targeted and focused. This is not about intercepting conversations between people in the United States. This is hot pursuit of communications entering or leaving America involving someone we believe is associated with al-Qaeda. ... This is focused. It's targeted. It's very carefully done. You shouldn't worry."
Senate Judiciary Committee hearing, Feb. 6, 2006:
Attorney General Alberto Gonzales: "Only international communications are authorized for interception under this program. That is, communications between a foreign country and this country. ...
"To protect the privacy of Americans still further, the NSA employs safeguards to minimize the unnecessary collection and dissemination of information about U.S. persons."
Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del.: "I don't understand why you would limit your eavesdropping only to foreign conversations. ..."
Gonzales: "I believe it's because of trying to balance concerns that might arise that, in fact, the NSA was engaged in electronic surveillance with respect to domestic calls."
By Leslie Cauley, USA TODAY
The National Security Agency has been secretly collecting the phone call records of tens of millions of Americans, using data provided by AT&T, Verizon and BellSouth, people with direct knowledge of the arrangement told USA TODAY.
The NSA program reaches into homes and businesses across the nation by amassing information about the calls of ordinary Americans most of whom aren't suspected of any crime. This program does not involve the NSA listening to or recording conversations. But the spy agency is using the data to analyze calling patterns in an effort to detect terrorist activity, sources said in separate interviews.
QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS: The NSA record collection program
"It's the largest database ever assembled in the world," said one person, who, like the others who agreed to talk about the NSA's activities, declined to be identified by name or affiliation. The agency's goal is "to create a database of every call ever made" within the nation's borders, this person added.
For the customers of these companies, it means that the government has detailed records of calls they made across town or across the country to family members, co-workers, business contacts and others.
The three telecommunications companies are working under contract with the NSA, which launched the program in 2001 shortly after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, the sources said. The program is aimed at identifying and tracking suspected terrorists, they said.
The sources would talk only under a guarantee of anonymity because the NSA program is secret.
Air Force Gen. Michael Hayden, nominated Monday by President Bush to become the director of the CIA, headed the NSA from March 1999 to April 2005. In that post, Hayden would have overseen the agency's domestic call-tracking program. Hayden declined to comment about the program.
The NSA's domestic program, as described by sources, is far more expansive than what the White House has acknowledged. Last year, Bush said he had authorized the NSA to eavesdrop without warrants on international calls and international e-mails of people suspected of having links to terrorists when one party to the communication is in the USA. Warrants have also not been used in the NSA's efforts to create a national call database.
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Obama's "Spy on Everyone" policy was already public? My *ass*, it was. [View all]
MannyGoldstein
Jun 2013
OP
a vocal MINORITY on here used to argue it was technically imposible, but since yesterday they have
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jun 2013
#2
actually, I should have said some, as they really are just a vocal MINORITY here.
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jun 2013
#12
Yes they are a minority, but even that few who claim to be democrats, and I do not doubt it, is far
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#22
yes, you are absolutely correct, and you are also right to voice it at the type of your lungs
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jun 2013
#23
And they think no one notices. Ignore them from now on. We have work to do and we need to start
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#25
Frontline did a two hour special on the specifics of how they do the "vacuum" years ago.
xtraxritical
Jun 2013
#126
When did Obama specifically say he would end the NSA collection of phone records?
Cali_Democrat
Jun 2013
#177
It's not, and it's much too intrusive at this point. If the NSA had a specific foreign
SlimJimmy
Jun 2013
#159
Agreed. I think it's well past time to look at everything in the Patriot Act and
SlimJimmy
Jun 2013
#162
You don't blame President Obama for using the tools at his disposal? What if you called
A Simple Game
Jun 2013
#184
The fact that you limit the scope of your comments to meta data is very telling to me.
GoneFishin
Jun 2013
#107
Well, if they have done nothing wrong, they have nothing to worry about, right? Do you view elected
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#28
I could easily see Congress ensuring that the data is never used for anything...
randome
Jun 2013
#153
Just by-the-by, Richard NIxon had the same controls. Didn't stop him at all. n/t
jtuck004
Jun 2013
#137
I don't think he had a panel of judges, two Congressional subcommittees and a signing judge, did he?
randome
Jun 2013
#149
As Nixon said, "If the President does it, it can't be illegal" or somthing along those lines...
jtuck004
Jun 2013
#161
It was leaked to the press during the Bush years and it was a SCANDAL at that time. WE, Democrats
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#29
True, I wasn't really clear on that. FISA was in place and was modified to protect Bush and the
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#87
Yes but "nobody's listening to your phone calls" except Verizon, AT&T...
Corruption Inc
Jun 2013
#19
Yes not because Bush was better but because Obama was suppose to be different
newmember
Jun 2013
#33
So ending the Iraq War, Don't Ask Don't Tell, and the Pre-existing Condition Exclusion don't count?
SunSeeker
Jun 2013
#36
13 Counties in FL have set up a such a system - iWATCH program (report your neighbors and friends!)
Melinda
Jun 2013
#66
There was a leak involved, but the program has been reported on several times. n/t
Bolo Boffin
Jun 2013
#40
Since when did spying on the entire country have anything to do with 'protecting national security'?
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#78
Again, explain to me how the NSA knowing who is calling who in this country is going to stop terror.
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#93
Wrong, Bush broke the law, yes, but then Congress adjusted that law, retroactively, so now he
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#129
No, you couldn't be more wrong. The law was adjusted making what Bush did legal. Just as that
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#138
I appreciate that you are willing to discuss it and you are asking good questions.
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#136
Yeah, because opposing "spy on everyone" is the same as saying nothing can be classified.
Marr
Jun 2013
#92
Good for Obama that this Big Brother stuff came out after the election.
NoodleyAppendage
Jun 2013
#85
again, i knew the NSA was collecting all our phone metdata in 2006, didn't you?
arely staircase
Jun 2013
#118
I did not know about PRISM but admit, like you, to suspecting it. I presumed the phone data
GoneFishin
Jun 2013
#122
I don't have near the problem with PRISM that I do with the phone data mining.
arely staircase
Jun 2013
#124
EFF is stating the gov't is asking for more time for other surveillance cases now
suffragette
Jun 2013
#100
it's like that New Outer Limits episode where the doctors are hooked into a woman's mind as it
MisterP
Jun 2013
#142
SENATOR Obama co-sponsored a bill that would outlaw any warrants without specific probable cause
BlueStreak
Jun 2013
#156
Nothing presented here by the apologists excuses it or mitigates how disgusting it is.
GoneFishin
Jun 2013
#186