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proverbialwisdom

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120. I didn't write this and DO NOT endorse every claim, but it rebuts the "anti-vax nutjobs" silliness.
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 11:49 PM
Jun 2013

Handily, I might add. Please skim through to the end once before unfairly dismissing as "woo."

http://www.ageofautism.com/2012/02/the-trouble-with-the-anti-anti-vaccine-movement-how-they-hijack-the-issue-distort-the-facts-and-tota.html

The Trouble with the ANTI “Anti-Vaccine” Movement: How They Hijack the Issue; Distort the Facts; and Totally Miss the Point

February 08, 2012
By Julie Obradovic



1. They believe there is an anti-vaccine movement.

This may surprise a lot of people, but there actually isn't an "anti-vaccine movement”. Although there are definitely people who believe no vaccine is a good vaccine, the controversy has never been solely about whether or not vaccines are good or bad; it's been about whether or not they are being used responsibly and have been properly investigated for their role in chronic health conditions.

The more appropriate term to describe people raising this important question would be consumer safety advocates, seeking informed consent, more research, product liability, and policy reform.

Only a few possibilities exist to explain why those who insist on using the "anti-vaccine" label anyway continue to do so: they erroneously assume anyone who questions a product's safety is automatically against it; they believe vaccines already are being used as responsibly as they possibly can be and have been properly investigated; or they choose to use a red herring label like "anti-vaccine" to manipulate people.

2. Anyone who disagrees with them is an idiot.

If the first line of attack doesn't work it will almost always be followed by an insult. Not only are people who disagree portrayed as dangerous lunatics who want to see the world explode in infectious disease, supposedly they are also "flat-earthers" who can't accept the world is round. Certain journalists have gone so far as to suggest it's no wonder their children have problems.

Such commentary is breathtaking in its insensitivity, entirely unnecessary, and most troublesome once again, not true. Even the CDC has recognized for years, most recently in a study on Hepatitis B uptake, that the most common demographic of a person who questions vaccine safety or refuses them is a highly educated mother with a master's degree.

When faced with this unpleasant fact, anti “anti-vaxxers” are left with little place to go. Some have started calling these parents “superstitious”, “defenders of pseudo-science”, or “conspiracy theorist” instead.

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6. They pretend to be the gatekeepers of science.

Gone are the days of limited access to information. With the advent of the Internet, scientific information is readily available to whoever would like it. While certainly this doesn’t qualify anyone who reads it as being an expert, it does mean that a new phenomenon has developed: consumer-scientists who question what he or she is being sold.

Combined with the mounting instances of pharmaceutical fraud, the lack of urgency or answers for Autism, and the availability of this scientific information, parents have become a critical voice of what they have uncovered: compromised research; conflicts of interest; non-sensical methodology; idiotic results; and unanswered questions.

When faced with these criticisms, the medical community has taken the position that lay members of society, such as parents, are unqualified to make these claims. They dismiss their concerns as embarrassingly amateur, not to be taken seriously. That may be so, except for one thing.

It was a lay member of society, a journalist with no medical background or scientific expertise, who first claimed Dr. Wakefield committed fraud. It was the same journalist who examined the research and concluded it was, then allowed to publish his findings in a medical journal. The medical community has made him their champion.

The double standard is astounding.

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10. They have an excuse for everything.

Everything regarding Autism is a coincidence. From the observations of the first doctor to identify the disorder in 1943, to the symptoms, to the timing, to the anecdotal evidence of parents, to the prevalence and incidence rates, to the improvement and recovery, all of it is considered best explained by coincidence.

When the rates of Autism began to skyrocket in the mid 1990’s, right after the amount of mercury tripled in vaccines, moved up to the day of birth, and more vaccines began to be added to the schedule, they claimed to have simply missed everyone that had Autism for decades prior.

As the explosion continued over the next fifteen years, and schools and doctors and parents became overwhelmed with the demands of these children, they claimed they were over-diagnosing. They took it even further and said it was parents, not them, who were actually to blame. Parents were greedily seeking services for their children they didn’t deserve.

(Perhaps this shouldn’t have been a surprise, however. Parents, especially moms, have always been blamed. Doctors hypothesized for years, until the 1970’s in fact, that Autism was the subconscious reaction of a child who felt their mother wanted to reject or even kill them. This is why Autism was originally put in the psychiatric realm and remains to this day.)

Now, almost twenty years into the epidemic, they have come to another coincidental conclusion. From 1943 to 1994, they misdiagnosed. From 1994 to 2011 they over-diagnosed. And now, in 2012, they need to UN-diagnose; thus the new DSM-V criteria.

The absurdity is stunning, if not criminal. By their own admittance, they have no idea what they are doing. One wonders if they even realize they are nullifying all of the science done on Autism thus far with this change. For if you still don’t even know what Autism is, how can you have appropriately studied what causes it?

11. They fail to recognize their tactics aren’t working.

Were I not an educator who has grown accustomed to separating the critique of my profession from myself, I’m not sure I would be able to say the things I have. This essay is an indictment of the medical-industrial complex, not an individual.

I have just thoroughly and thoughtfully laid out the position for why the vaccine controversy continues. I will continue to do so as long as I live, or until at which time it is no longer necessary. I am confident other parents like me will do the same. Calling us names, censoring our stories, or dismissing our concerns will not deter us.

Until then, it is simply not true to say there is nothing to debate. It is simply inexcusable to censor or stop the conversation. It is simply juvenile to use insults to describe those who refuse. And mark my words; it’s a waste of breath.

Parents, the consumers of these privately made products mandated for use by their government and given to them by their doctors, will fund and complete the science they demand. It is not a matter of if, but when. Hell hath no fury like that of a parent scorned, especially one told that their life is lie and that neither their child nor their suffering matters.

It is time for everyone to remember what we are seeking: health and wellness for all of the world’s children. We simply disagree on how to best attain it. The tactics being used to dismiss us serve no purpose other than to prolong it.

Julie Obradovic is a Contributing Editor to Age of Autism.
Posted by Age of Autism at February 08, 2012 at 5:44 AM



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A cure for hunger! jberryhill Jun 2013 #16
Why do you repeatedly try to link/group/etc Chiropractic Medicine with Homeophathy? That's not cool. Electric Monk Jun 2013 #19
Though I appreciate the OP and the spirit of the OP etherealtruth Jun 2013 #39
But many chiropractors RudynJack Jun 2013 #43
You are, of course, correct etherealtruth Jun 2013 #46
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There is a difference between theory and practice here eridani Jun 2013 #136
When my son was in high school he did something to his back in PE pnwmom Jun 2013 #138
and then there are chiropractors like my sister's who peddle homeopathy and "kinesiology" eShirl Jun 2013 #140
My friend fell and hurt his back burnodo Jun 2013 #102
So true! A scam IMO! n-t Logical Jun 2013 #142
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Again - KT2000 Jun 2013 #26
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the point is - KT2000 Jun 2013 #92
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beliefs are not innocent KT2000 Jun 2013 #63
I love how these posts always draw out the "oh, you must be a paid shill" script... (nt) Posteritatis Jun 2013 #105
when the same person KT2000 Jun 2013 #119
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The OP tarred them all Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #134
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Well, I don't know about that. sibelian Jun 2013 #145
Personally I don't do woo madokie Jun 2013 #31
Because people believe what they read on the Internet... SidDithers Jun 2013 #33
Were I interested in the general subject area, here's where I'd start reading. proverbialwisdom Jun 2013 #121
No, you'd start with Age of Autism... SidDithers Jun 2013 #124
Not true, however, the BBC recently linked to Age of Autism as one of two "Related Internet Links." proverbialwisdom Jun 2013 #151
It isn't always woo. Alternative practices are being used in medical facilities. In_The_Wind Jun 2013 #36
Here's something interesting. LWolf Jun 2013 #53
I'm glad that you are ok! In_The_Wind Jun 2013 #57
You know what they call alternative medicine that actually does something? Posteritatis Jun 2013 #104
It works for me. In_The_Wind Jun 2013 #139
... because desperate people make poor choices etherealtruth Jun 2013 #37
"desperate people make poor choices" sufrommich Jun 2013 #47
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Studies with aloe on second degree burns MattBaggins Jun 2013 #103
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Those two topics are totally related, aren't they? Apophis Jun 2013 #113
I'm sure you're one of those people who believe that vaccinations cause autism, aren't you? Apophis Jun 2013 #112
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I'll stick to science. Apophis Jun 2013 #160
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Naturopathy is western MattBaggins Jun 2013 #101
LOL, please name the WOO topic you think has been proved..... Logical Jun 2013 #143
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Woo is Woo. You "believers" crack me up! n-t Logical Jun 2013 #158
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I believe you are gullible fool that believes anything! n-t Logical Jun 2013 #163
Music break, science song. Hope a little off-topic levity is ok. proverbialwisdom Jun 2013 #69
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What "thought?" Archae Jun 2013 #78
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I know someone who lives their entire life in the world of New Age woo. Zorra Jun 2013 #82
I don't why you listed Chiropractic. My wife has had amazing results for her SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #86
Read this. Archae Jun 2013 #89
Call it what you want. My wife's chiropractor has made a postive difference for her. SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #111
If chiropractice is only used to treat certain bone and muscular issues, it has some use derby378 Jun 2013 #90
I agree with what you've said. Her Chiropratic practitioner specializes in SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #107
Placebo effect! -t Logical Jun 2013 #144
Placebo effect that has lasted for a year, when the best option the others could offer SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #146
The chiropractor I see has done my back and shoulders a whole lot of good Matariki Jun 2013 #94
Because there are different kinds of chiropractor. JoeyT Jun 2013 #132
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THIS WILL CURE YOU ! olddots Jun 2013 #98
Because "profit motive" = "non-woo" lumberjack_jeff Jun 2013 #108
Did you notice? Archae Jun 2013 #115
I don't see few reasons to recommend one over the other. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jun 2013 #118
A rebuttal from Tim Minchin derby378 Jun 2013 #116
Woo sounds sexy and Id like to hump it. bunnies Jun 2013 #114
Yes Hyaluronic acid is unproven woo MattBaggins Jun 2013 #157
I didn't write this and DO NOT endorse every claim, but it rebuts the "anti-vax nutjobs" silliness. proverbialwisdom Jun 2013 #120
"Age Of Autism" is a total bullshit web site. Archae Jun 2013 #123
The poster you're replying to is a defender of Andrew Wakefield... SidDithers Jun 2013 #125
Not surprised. Archae Jun 2013 #127
Heard of Dr. Poul Thorsen? proverbialwisdom Jun 2013 #129
The fact that people are *still* Wakefield fanboys at this point is stunning. (nt) Posteritatis Jun 2013 #148
Prove it. Hint, you can't. I deliberately choose not express 'opinion,' I post INFORMATION. proverbialwisdom Jun 2013 #150
Keep denying it... SidDithers Jun 2013 #152
Lack of nuance does great disservice to that argument. proverbialwisdom Jun 2013 #128
FYI - Out of the Mouths of Babes:"Autism is a Sickness Where Your Tummy Hurts and You Can't Talk" proverbialwisdom Jun 2013 #167
And here's when woo combines with right-wing bullshit. Archae Jun 2013 #126
My father used the "woo" of a chiropractor to deal with pnwmom Jun 2013 #137
Consumers of woo are morons, plain and simple. sagat Jun 2013 #153
An MRI was unable to detect a serious problem a chiropractor solved in a single session. Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #161
Because people inherently sense we are missing information. DirkGently Jun 2013 #164
Why do so many eagerly embrace Poo?* Berlum Jun 2013 #165
This is one result of anti-vaxx woo. Archae Jun 2013 #166
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