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In reply to the discussion: Why do we so eagerly take to woo? [View all]proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)120. I didn't write this and DO NOT endorse every claim, but it rebuts the "anti-vax nutjobs" silliness.
Handily, I might add. Please skim through to the end once before unfairly dismissing as "woo."
http://www.ageofautism.com/2012/02/the-trouble-with-the-anti-anti-vaccine-movement-how-they-hijack-the-issue-distort-the-facts-and-tota.html
The Trouble with the ANTI Anti-Vaccine Movement: How They Hijack the Issue; Distort the Facts; and Totally Miss the Point
February 08, 2012
By Julie Obradovic
1. They believe there is an anti-vaccine movement.
This may surprise a lot of people, but there actually isn't an "anti-vaccine movement. Although there are definitely people who believe no vaccine is a good vaccine, the controversy has never been solely about whether or not vaccines are good or bad; it's been about whether or not they are being used responsibly and have been properly investigated for their role in chronic health conditions.
The more appropriate term to describe people raising this important question would be consumer safety advocates, seeking informed consent, more research, product liability, and policy reform.
Only a few possibilities exist to explain why those who insist on using the "anti-vaccine" label anyway continue to do so: they erroneously assume anyone who questions a product's safety is automatically against it; they believe vaccines already are being used as responsibly as they possibly can be and have been properly investigated; or they choose to use a red herring label like "anti-vaccine" to manipulate people.
2. Anyone who disagrees with them is an idiot.
If the first line of attack doesn't work it will almost always be followed by an insult. Not only are people who disagree portrayed as dangerous lunatics who want to see the world explode in infectious disease, supposedly they are also "flat-earthers" who can't accept the world is round. Certain journalists have gone so far as to suggest it's no wonder their children have problems.
Such commentary is breathtaking in its insensitivity, entirely unnecessary, and most troublesome once again, not true. Even the CDC has recognized for years, most recently in a study on Hepatitis B uptake, that the most common demographic of a person who questions vaccine safety or refuses them is a highly educated mother with a master's degree.
When faced with this unpleasant fact, anti anti-vaxxers are left with little place to go. Some have started calling these parents superstitious, defenders of pseudo-science, or conspiracy theorist instead.
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6. They pretend to be the gatekeepers of science.
Gone are the days of limited access to information. With the advent of the Internet, scientific information is readily available to whoever would like it. While certainly this doesnt qualify anyone who reads it as being an expert, it does mean that a new phenomenon has developed: consumer-scientists who question what he or she is being sold.
Combined with the mounting instances of pharmaceutical fraud, the lack of urgency or answers for Autism, and the availability of this scientific information, parents have become a critical voice of what they have uncovered: compromised research; conflicts of interest; non-sensical methodology; idiotic results; and unanswered questions.
When faced with these criticisms, the medical community has taken the position that lay members of society, such as parents, are unqualified to make these claims. They dismiss their concerns as embarrassingly amateur, not to be taken seriously. That may be so, except for one thing.
It was a lay member of society, a journalist with no medical background or scientific expertise, who first claimed Dr. Wakefield committed fraud. It was the same journalist who examined the research and concluded it was, then allowed to publish his findings in a medical journal. The medical community has made him their champion.
The double standard is astounding.
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10. They have an excuse for everything.
Everything regarding Autism is a coincidence. From the observations of the first doctor to identify the disorder in 1943, to the symptoms, to the timing, to the anecdotal evidence of parents, to the prevalence and incidence rates, to the improvement and recovery, all of it is considered best explained by coincidence.
When the rates of Autism began to skyrocket in the mid 1990s, right after the amount of mercury tripled in vaccines, moved up to the day of birth, and more vaccines began to be added to the schedule, they claimed to have simply missed everyone that had Autism for decades prior.
As the explosion continued over the next fifteen years, and schools and doctors and parents became overwhelmed with the demands of these children, they claimed they were over-diagnosing. They took it even further and said it was parents, not them, who were actually to blame. Parents were greedily seeking services for their children they didnt deserve.
(Perhaps this shouldnt have been a surprise, however. Parents, especially moms, have always been blamed. Doctors hypothesized for years, until the 1970s in fact, that Autism was the subconscious reaction of a child who felt their mother wanted to reject or even kill them. This is why Autism was originally put in the psychiatric realm and remains to this day.)
Now, almost twenty years into the epidemic, they have come to another coincidental conclusion. From 1943 to 1994, they misdiagnosed. From 1994 to 2011 they over-diagnosed. And now, in 2012, they need to UN-diagnose; thus the new DSM-V criteria.
The absurdity is stunning, if not criminal. By their own admittance, they have no idea what they are doing. One wonders if they even realize they are nullifying all of the science done on Autism thus far with this change. For if you still dont even know what Autism is, how can you have appropriately studied what causes it?
11. They fail to recognize their tactics arent working.
Were I not an educator who has grown accustomed to separating the critique of my profession from myself, Im not sure I would be able to say the things I have. This essay is an indictment of the medical-industrial complex, not an individual.
I have just thoroughly and thoughtfully laid out the position for why the vaccine controversy continues. I will continue to do so as long as I live, or until at which time it is no longer necessary. I am confident other parents like me will do the same. Calling us names, censoring our stories, or dismissing our concerns will not deter us.
Until then, it is simply not true to say there is nothing to debate. It is simply inexcusable to censor or stop the conversation. It is simply juvenile to use insults to describe those who refuse. And mark my words; its a waste of breath.
Parents, the consumers of these privately made products mandated for use by their government and given to them by their doctors, will fund and complete the science they demand. It is not a matter of if, but when. Hell hath no fury like that of a parent scorned, especially one told that their life is lie and that neither their child nor their suffering matters.
It is time for everyone to remember what we are seeking: health and wellness for all of the worlds children. We simply disagree on how to best attain it. The tactics being used to dismiss us serve no purpose other than to prolong it.
Julie Obradovic is a Contributing Editor to Age of Autism.
Posted by Age of Autism at February 08, 2012 at 5:44 AM
The Trouble with the ANTI Anti-Vaccine Movement: How They Hijack the Issue; Distort the Facts; and Totally Miss the Point
February 08, 2012
By Julie Obradovic
1. They believe there is an anti-vaccine movement.
This may surprise a lot of people, but there actually isn't an "anti-vaccine movement. Although there are definitely people who believe no vaccine is a good vaccine, the controversy has never been solely about whether or not vaccines are good or bad; it's been about whether or not they are being used responsibly and have been properly investigated for their role in chronic health conditions.
The more appropriate term to describe people raising this important question would be consumer safety advocates, seeking informed consent, more research, product liability, and policy reform.
Only a few possibilities exist to explain why those who insist on using the "anti-vaccine" label anyway continue to do so: they erroneously assume anyone who questions a product's safety is automatically against it; they believe vaccines already are being used as responsibly as they possibly can be and have been properly investigated; or they choose to use a red herring label like "anti-vaccine" to manipulate people.
2. Anyone who disagrees with them is an idiot.
If the first line of attack doesn't work it will almost always be followed by an insult. Not only are people who disagree portrayed as dangerous lunatics who want to see the world explode in infectious disease, supposedly they are also "flat-earthers" who can't accept the world is round. Certain journalists have gone so far as to suggest it's no wonder their children have problems.
Such commentary is breathtaking in its insensitivity, entirely unnecessary, and most troublesome once again, not true. Even the CDC has recognized for years, most recently in a study on Hepatitis B uptake, that the most common demographic of a person who questions vaccine safety or refuses them is a highly educated mother with a master's degree.
When faced with this unpleasant fact, anti anti-vaxxers are left with little place to go. Some have started calling these parents superstitious, defenders of pseudo-science, or conspiracy theorist instead.
<>
6. They pretend to be the gatekeepers of science.
Gone are the days of limited access to information. With the advent of the Internet, scientific information is readily available to whoever would like it. While certainly this doesnt qualify anyone who reads it as being an expert, it does mean that a new phenomenon has developed: consumer-scientists who question what he or she is being sold.
Combined with the mounting instances of pharmaceutical fraud, the lack of urgency or answers for Autism, and the availability of this scientific information, parents have become a critical voice of what they have uncovered: compromised research; conflicts of interest; non-sensical methodology; idiotic results; and unanswered questions.
When faced with these criticisms, the medical community has taken the position that lay members of society, such as parents, are unqualified to make these claims. They dismiss their concerns as embarrassingly amateur, not to be taken seriously. That may be so, except for one thing.
It was a lay member of society, a journalist with no medical background or scientific expertise, who first claimed Dr. Wakefield committed fraud. It was the same journalist who examined the research and concluded it was, then allowed to publish his findings in a medical journal. The medical community has made him their champion.
The double standard is astounding.
<>
10. They have an excuse for everything.
Everything regarding Autism is a coincidence. From the observations of the first doctor to identify the disorder in 1943, to the symptoms, to the timing, to the anecdotal evidence of parents, to the prevalence and incidence rates, to the improvement and recovery, all of it is considered best explained by coincidence.
When the rates of Autism began to skyrocket in the mid 1990s, right after the amount of mercury tripled in vaccines, moved up to the day of birth, and more vaccines began to be added to the schedule, they claimed to have simply missed everyone that had Autism for decades prior.
As the explosion continued over the next fifteen years, and schools and doctors and parents became overwhelmed with the demands of these children, they claimed they were over-diagnosing. They took it even further and said it was parents, not them, who were actually to blame. Parents were greedily seeking services for their children they didnt deserve.
(Perhaps this shouldnt have been a surprise, however. Parents, especially moms, have always been blamed. Doctors hypothesized for years, until the 1970s in fact, that Autism was the subconscious reaction of a child who felt their mother wanted to reject or even kill them. This is why Autism was originally put in the psychiatric realm and remains to this day.)
Now, almost twenty years into the epidemic, they have come to another coincidental conclusion. From 1943 to 1994, they misdiagnosed. From 1994 to 2011 they over-diagnosed. And now, in 2012, they need to UN-diagnose; thus the new DSM-V criteria.
The absurdity is stunning, if not criminal. By their own admittance, they have no idea what they are doing. One wonders if they even realize they are nullifying all of the science done on Autism thus far with this change. For if you still dont even know what Autism is, how can you have appropriately studied what causes it?
11. They fail to recognize their tactics arent working.
Were I not an educator who has grown accustomed to separating the critique of my profession from myself, Im not sure I would be able to say the things I have. This essay is an indictment of the medical-industrial complex, not an individual.
I have just thoroughly and thoughtfully laid out the position for why the vaccine controversy continues. I will continue to do so as long as I live, or until at which time it is no longer necessary. I am confident other parents like me will do the same. Calling us names, censoring our stories, or dismissing our concerns will not deter us.
Until then, it is simply not true to say there is nothing to debate. It is simply inexcusable to censor or stop the conversation. It is simply juvenile to use insults to describe those who refuse. And mark my words; its a waste of breath.
Parents, the consumers of these privately made products mandated for use by their government and given to them by their doctors, will fund and complete the science they demand. It is not a matter of if, but when. Hell hath no fury like that of a parent scorned, especially one told that their life is lie and that neither their child nor their suffering matters.
It is time for everyone to remember what we are seeking: health and wellness for all of the worlds children. We simply disagree on how to best attain it. The tactics being used to dismiss us serve no purpose other than to prolong it.
Julie Obradovic is a Contributing Editor to Age of Autism.
Posted by Age of Autism at February 08, 2012 at 5:44 AM
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People who believe in pseudoscience have a misalignment of their chakras.
Liberal Veteran
Jun 2013
#1
Are you conflating "homeopathy" with the term alternative medicine/ treatments?
etherealtruth
Jun 2013
#49
Did you know the federal government just approved another phen-phen type drug today?
Major Hogwash
Jun 2013
#13
Why do you repeatedly try to link/group/etc Chiropractic Medicine with Homeophathy? That's not cool.
Electric Monk
Jun 2013
#19
The latest fad (if you could call it that) in chiropractic is chiropractic for babies.
Archae
Jun 2013
#50
and then there are chiropractors like my sister's who peddle homeopathy and "kinesiology"
eShirl
Jun 2013
#140
I love how these posts always draw out the "oh, you must be a paid shill" script... (nt)
Posteritatis
Jun 2013
#105
Truthfully? I think it's a lot to do with the fact that medicine in your country costs money.
sibelian
Jun 2013
#29
Were I interested in the general subject area, here's where I'd start reading.
proverbialwisdom
Jun 2013
#121
Not true, however, the BBC recently linked to Age of Autism as one of two "Related Internet Links."
proverbialwisdom
Jun 2013
#151
It isn't always woo. Alternative practices are being used in medical facilities.
In_The_Wind
Jun 2013
#36
You know what they call alternative medicine that actually does something?
Posteritatis
Jun 2013
#104
I was told by someone I was anti science because I advocated aloe for minor burns
Puzzledtraveller
Jun 2013
#67
I'm sure you're one of those people who believe that vaccinations cause autism, aren't you?
Apophis
Jun 2013
#112
Call it what you want. My wife's chiropractor has made a postive difference for her.
SlimJimmy
Jun 2013
#111
If chiropractice is only used to treat certain bone and muscular issues, it has some use
derby378
Jun 2013
#90
Placebo effect that has lasted for a year, when the best option the others could offer
SlimJimmy
Jun 2013
#146
I didn't write this and DO NOT endorse every claim, but it rebuts the "anti-vax nutjobs" silliness.
proverbialwisdom
Jun 2013
#120
The fact that people are *still* Wakefield fanboys at this point is stunning. (nt)
Posteritatis
Jun 2013
#148
Prove it. Hint, you can't. I deliberately choose not express 'opinion,' I post INFORMATION.
proverbialwisdom
Jun 2013
#150
FYI - Out of the Mouths of Babes:"Autism is a Sickness Where Your Tummy Hurts and You Can't Talk"
proverbialwisdom
Jun 2013
#167
An MRI was unable to detect a serious problem a chiropractor solved in a single session.
Fire Walk With Me
Jun 2013
#161