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In reply to the discussion: Republicans are playing Democrats like a fiddle [View all]alarimer
(16,446 posts)178. And it STILL is unconstitutional no matter that it's happening now under OBAMA.
Obama is a liar and a hypocrite. He claimed, when inaugurated in 2009, that this would be an administration that would be more open than any other. Instead, he doubled down on the secrecy, going after whistleblowers, etc.
I cannot believe how many people here justify this kind of stuff just because Obama is "their" guy.
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It's the Bush families way of getting Jeb nominated. BTW, Rand Paul is part of Team Bush.
graham4anything
Jun 2013
#2
The number of posts here faulting the President for FISA data mining that was BUSH's baby
xtraxritical
Jun 2013
#32
The article only talks about the Congressional role, and doesn't address the issue
SlimJimmy
Jun 2013
#101
Executive orders are only good for the duration of the term of the president issuing them.
Skidmore
Jun 2013
#114
I agree with you, but while the President is pushing Congress to enact legislation
SlimJimmy
Jun 2013
#115
"I believe the President wishes Congress would change the law as only Congress can."
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#120
Nope, it's realism. They know the Patriot act was passed with bipartisan majorities
pnwmom
Jun 2013
#103
When will Democrats ever learn to control the message? When will they learn to play
morningfog
Jun 2013
#6
And it STILL is unconstitutional no matter that it's happening now under OBAMA.
alarimer
Jun 2013
#178
Everybody's mining data, get used to it. Where do you think all your spam comes from?
xtraxritical
Jun 2013
#117
I think I'll remain uncomfortable with my fourth amendment rights being violated.
SlimJimmy
Jun 2013
#118
Republican spying is much much worse than Democratic spying donchyaknow.
Luminous Animal
Jun 2013
#13
The government wants this info so they can "keep you safe" and you're willing to give up
hughee99
Jun 2013
#37
And a short while ago no one was mining any of my data. They would of course
A Simple Game
Jun 2013
#42
The government continually tracking your whereabouts is not even in contention here
treestar
Jun 2013
#44
What are the limits? There lies the problem. They use super secret handshake courts
A Simple Game
Jun 2013
#57
"He does not clearly support them." BWAH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
woo me with science
Jun 2013
#141
That is bullshit, twisting, and contorting to avoid admitting that we are being screwed
GoneFishin
Jun 2013
#16
Exactly, if Democrats don't vigorously support an incipient police state then Republicans win
Fumesucker
Jun 2013
#18
And this administration is also stupidly and/or COMPLICITLY being played like a fiddle too!
cascadiance
Jun 2013
#19
But we don't have to fit the "we are all the same" partisan BSers responding to it!...
cascadiance
Jun 2013
#56
the people who were not smart were the ones to think the Bush family was stupid.
graham4anything
Jun 2013
#50
That was the way his personna was created (read Fraud by Paul Waldman).
graham4anything
Jun 2013
#73
"NSA issue wasn't as bad"? I've heard this argument recycled but it doesn't wash no matter how
GoneFishin
Jun 2013
#65
Well they've already gerrymandered the Congressional districts, so it doesn't matter.
steelmania75
Jun 2013
#39
TPM linked an article written in Bloomberg Businessweek Magazine, Nov 22, 2011..
nenagh
Jun 2013
#47
These are orchestrated turbulent times for Obama's administration, but I will
mfcorey1
Jun 2013
#106
If we are playing only politics you are right, if we are playing how do we turn this thing around
kickysnana
Jun 2013
#125