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timdog44

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73. Correct.

Sun Jun 9, 2013, 10:13 AM

Jun 2013

There is not privacy on the internet. Even the social media. Take a picture of your kid. Send it by face book ans some pervert gets his hands on it and the GPS coordinates are embedded and whalla, kids are gone. A lot of this has to do with protecting yourself.

The other thing is that just because I disagree with something or someone, does not mean I don't trust them. At some point an article of faith needs to come into play. Granted the repukes are a little over the line, at least the new breed, and I don't trust them, but there is some basis in fact to the distrust there.

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Wow! Look at how "hysterical" and "poutraged" all of DU USED to be... [View all] Bonobo Jun 2013 OP

Bush was engaged in warrantless wiretapping. pnwmom Jun 2013 #1

Yes, they changed the law to allow it. Bonobo Jun 2013 #2

No, the new law doesn't allowing warrantless wiretapping. pnwmom Jun 2013 #4

Wiretapping laws Bonobo Jun 2013 #11

No data has been stolen and it's within the law that Congress passed. pnwmom Jun 2013 #12

Ah yes, congress. Bonobo Jun 2013 #14

She's correct though. Skidmore Jun 2013 #42

^^ this is soooo true ^^ LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #64

+ a million. It is very telling the people who become infuriated when they are told to direct their Number23 Jun 2013 #111

Some members of Congress expressed their disgust with JDPriestly Jun 2013 #155

Indeed. cui bono Jun 2013 #168

What a lot of DUers are overlooking is that this kind of JDPriestly Jun 2013 #151

Dirty tricks in politics didn't originate with the digital age. Skidmore Jun 2013 #170

'IF it's a bad law'?? I thought that was decided back when it was rushed through sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #171

It was bad law when it was made. Skidmore Jun 2013 #173

Is POTUS directly responsible for the actions of the NSA? Billy Pilgrim Jun 2013 #127

It isn't within the law because it violates the Constitution JDPriestly Jun 2013 #148

FISA was changed to legalize untargeted "driftnet" warrants that allow NSA to collect everyone's leveymg Jun 2013 #33

Exactly Aerows Jun 2013 #40

When the FISA Amendment Act was passed, I think few imagined that warrants would be issued for leveymg Jun 2013 #43

Many of us who opposed the act Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #136

Same here, but I've finally accepted that the letter after the name doesn't matter, tavalon Jun 2013 #139

The letter after the name never mattered to me Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #146

Thank you for explaining this so clearly. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #156

Probable cause, tavalon Jun 2013 #138

If you don't have probable cause, you don't get a warrant. That used to be the rule. leveymg Jun 2013 #174

+1 I wish more folks here understood that. But apparently, they either don't SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #131

Actually, this also violates nearly all your rights. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #157

That's true SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #175

A little hard to do that when we aren't allowed Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #134

what difference does that make backwoodsbob Jun 2013 #100

They may change the law to make their illegal activities legal, kenny blankenship Jun 2013 #62

Bullshit apologism. woo me with science Jun 2013 #3

Oh the shame! DontTreadOnMe Jun 2013 #5

Well, that was vapid. nt woo me with science Jun 2013 #9

You need to return that avatar of Bernie Sanders. Bonobo Jun 2013 #13

I'm surprised he isn't using the "Che" avatar Art_from_Ark Jun 2013 #35

Protective coloration. n/t QC Jun 2013 #54

DU is no more unhinged than we were when Bush did this tavalon Jun 2013 #141

Collecting phone numbers doesn't constitute wiretapping. pnwmom Jun 2013 #6

I am not going to retype all this, but your argument is bullshit. woo me with science Jun 2013 #7

There's nothing in that post that contradicts what I wrote. You're making a mountain pnwmom Jun 2013 #8

An opinion piece by a Reagan appointee. woo me with science Jun 2013 #16

I can't believe anyone can defend this Aerows Jun 2013 #41

It is pretty amazing that anyone is wlling to bend themselves into a metaphorical pretzel to justify tavalon Jun 2013 #144

Thank you. woo me with science Jun 2013 #145

It may be that most of the data collected is irrelevant- Billy Pilgrim Jun 2013 #128

You are extrapolating limits which are not part of the order Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #135

Yes, and probable cause is required for the warrant, just as in any criminal case. n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #163

Proable cause means Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #164

I'm not saying that probable cause was required for turning over phone numbers alone, pnwmom Jun 2013 #165

Hmm...how hard is a reverse lookup? Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #180

Yes, and that is the point. pnwmom Jun 2013 #181

No. You are missing the point. Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #182

The "metadata" argument is misleading, and here is why: leveymg Jun 2013 #39

Thank you. woo me with science Jun 2013 #143

Telephone numbers only? tavalon Jun 2013 #142

Did you listen to the statement by the whistleblower? JDPriestly Jun 2013 #159

That pretty well sums it up tavalon Jun 2013 #140

Why not get the same judge to issue a warrant... Demo_Chris Jun 2013 #83

The law was changed to protect Bush. And Democrats were outraged over that too. NOW some sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #91

Sabrina I know we significantly AnalystInParadise Jun 2013 #116

Agreed they don't even need a warrant now that has anyones name on it AnalystInParadise Jun 2013 #113

It is at most comparing Jonathan to McIntosh. Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #132

No we're comparing illegal apples to probably illegal warrented oranges tavalon Jun 2013 #137

I'm not going to go anti-Obama in regard to this; it would have continued regardless pacalo Jun 2013 #10

what are these higher powers? what is a 'good man'? HiPointDem Jun 2013 #15

Well, there is John. He was in the Hangover. graham4anything Jun 2013 #20

go Whirled Salaam Man! HiPointDem Jun 2013 #21

John Yoo supports this program too. neverforget Jun 2013 #93

Wall Street, corporate world, a group of independent billionaires, pacalo Jun 2013 #25

If he was a good man with good morals and sound order of priorities AgingAmerican Jun 2013 #98

"From his actions we are left to surmise he is a tool of the oligarchs." pacalo Jun 2013 #106

You might have been on vacation when the Dubya Patriot Act rage happened tavalon Jun 2013 #147

I wasn't clear, tavalon. pacalo Jun 2013 #154

I get you tavalon Jun 2013 #158

During that time I got all the news from DU & Keith Olbermann. pacalo Jun 2013 #160

Agreed, that is just scapegoating, and dishonest treestar Jun 2013 #81

It's looking to me like the IRS "scandal" was introduced as a preliminary solicitation for public pacalo Jun 2013 #86

The "IRS scandal" is an excuse to defund the IRS AgingAmerican Jun 2013 #99

That, too. pacalo Jun 2013 #104

one word graham says "Silly". graham4anything Jun 2013 #17

That's not one word. Bonobo Jun 2013 #18

the man in the gaberdine suit was a spy but I loved Mrs. Wagner Pies. Wish they were here graham4anything Jun 2013 #19

Nope - Many Had To Choose Between The Lesser of Two Evils - Just Like Every Primary Or Election cantbeserious Jun 2013 #34

I voted and received 100%of everything I ever dreamed of.The American Dream came true for me in 8/12 graham4anything Jun 2013 #44

Well We Now Know You Are Blessed - You Might Consider Some Of Us Are Not cantbeserious Jun 2013 #45

As John Lennon said twice -Material items don't matter & Money can't buy one love. Imagine. graham4anything Jun 2013 #46

If you think anyone would spend even a minute reading that dribble... Bonobo Jun 2013 #50

A full two seconds?? CokeMachine Jun 2013 #95

I rounded up. nt Bonobo Jun 2013 #117

No, no, read it. It's freaking awesome DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #118

. Dragonfli Jun 2013 #161

With things going as they are, a viable third party or a revolution tavalon Jun 2013 #149

The revolution was won in 2008. Of course, people could do what they did in Russia(USSR) graham4anything Jun 2013 #167

I was juror #2. NYC_SKP Jun 2013 #55

Funniest (and truest) jury results ever! nt Bonobo Jun 2013 #56

Should have been unanimous. Fuddnik Jun 2013 #110

Kudos to the Jury. bvar22 Jun 2013 #102

So, an impeached Prez/VP and Paul Ryan is President in 2015, that what you are saying? graham4anything Jun 2013 #22

You can't even get... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #119

Ryan has wanted to replace Boehner for 2 years now. Jan. 2015, Boehner can be history graham4anything Jun 2013 #120

Well, he can wish in one hand... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #122

So would you want President Cantor or Boehner then? graham4anything Jun 2013 #123

Of course I wouldn't... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #125

Tell that to Gerald Ford. And not sure if you know but graham4anything Jun 2013 #166

Is there to be a special 2015 Presidential election? better start the primary campaigns now! Dragonfli Jun 2013 #162

"Nobody stands up to Dear Leader" another_liberal Jun 2013 #23

Comparing Obama to Kim Jong Un davidpdx Jun 2013 #24

The quote was from 2007 and the comparison was with Bush LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #115

As someone said on HuffPo watoos Jun 2013 #26

You are absolutely right. This is the first post to say this whole NSA thing under Obama was wrong. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #27

I think the point is that there would have been little to no dissention back during Smirk's reign Fumesucker Jun 2013 #30

Oh yeah,..the Obama/Hillary war showed real unity. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #88

Which of them was running on spying on the American people? Fumesucker Jun 2013 #89

I thought the point of the OP was DU unity. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #94

About a certain subject, the subject of spying on the American people Fumesucker Jun 2013 #96

Claiming it's nothing new isn't approving,...despite some who claim it is. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #97

I thought a leak investigation was under way? Fumesucker Jun 2013 #103

Maybe someone needs to look into THAT as well... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #105

Here we go with another boohoohoo timdog44 Jun 2013 #28

People (some at least) actually have an expectation of privacy on the Internet BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #36

Correct. timdog44 Jun 2013 #73

So you are saying that since we've lost a lot of our privacy we should concede the rest? rhett o rick Jun 2013 #48

That is what they are saying and what they want us to believe. Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #59

I am not saying to sit down and shut up. timdog44 Jun 2013 #74

"From what I understand it is calls from here to overseas that are not really being monitored, rhett o rick Jun 2013 #78

Again I can only say, timdog44 Jun 2013 #79

And I say, "Trust but verify", but never have "faith". rhett o rick Jun 2013 #84

Trust but verify. Better. timdog44 Jun 2013 #85

Faith and belief played a large part in my being swept up in 2008 tavalon Jun 2013 #150

No one seems to question where the NSA data is coming from Generic Brad Jun 2013 #52

We are definitely crossing into timdog44 Jun 2013 #75

Two wrongs don't make a right. Billy Pilgrim Jun 2013 #129

What an asinine comment. Daniel537 Jun 2013 #176

Oh hey Pavulon was in that thread Ash_F Jun 2013 #29

Historic Thread Sognefjord Jun 2013 #169

warrantless was the part I was outraged about. DCBob Jun 2013 #31

So a piece of paper signed by a judge for everyone meets your muster? TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #107

FU to you too. DCBob Jun 2013 #108

I didn't say fuck you, Bob. I said get the fuck out of here with your bullshit warrant for all. TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #183

du rec. xchrom Jun 2013 #32

What they will find in all the data SCVDem Jun 2013 #37

I still am grateful to the EFF. Solly Mack Jun 2013 #38

Not only are we counted on to go back to bed,to go back to sleep Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #47

Oh does your pony have butthurt? Awww... MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #49

Hitler, Big Brother, and Kim Jong Il all rolled into one. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #51

Ahem, those were references to Bush. nt Bonobo Jun 2013 #58

In 2007 they were references to Bush. You changed the context and wondered where the outrage is. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #65

You are over-reading and missing the point. Bonobo Jun 2013 #66

"I cannot help it if you have poor reading skills" Oop. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #68

Make yourself a sandwich, drink a glass of milk... Bonobo Jun 2013 #69

Thanks! Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #70

Marvin! Look out!!!! opiate69 Jun 2013 #87

+1 Bonobo Jun 2013 #114

So many quotable characters in that flick... opiate69 Jun 2013 #121

Thing is, Bonobo, all of us who've been here a long time, you included tavalon Jun 2013 #152

"...Big Brother and Hitler wrapped into one..." randome Jun 2013 #53

Ummm, those were references to Bush. nt Bonobo Jun 2013 #57

Whoops. My apologies. randome Jun 2013 #71

Thank you. Quite forgiven. nt Bonobo Jun 2013 #72

Yeah !! besides HST allowing the CIA to be formed orpupilofnature57 Jun 2013 #60

I wish I had thew time to research the archives and show how NOT new all this news is. Coyotl Jun 2013 #61

Yeah, we totally get that. Bonobo Jun 2013 #63

Because ProSense Jun 2013 #67

You don't need to re-educate us. We were angry then and we're angry now tavalon Jun 2013 #153

But it's okay if a Democrat does it!!!!!! 111111!!! Apophis Jun 2013 #76

No, it is O.K. now because it is legal now. That does not mean we have to like it any more Coyotl Jun 2013 #178

Yes, everything they're doing fredamae Jun 2013 #77

Continuing with the myth that electing a different President changes the entire laws and government treestar Jun 2013 #80

We are left with nothing but outrage. Savannahmann Jun 2013 #90

I find this post ironic treestar Jun 2013 #92

K&R forestpath Jun 2013 #82

Yep. That's when DU members believed in civil liberties instead of "Father Knows Best". Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #101

Yeah. Billy Pilgrim Jun 2013 #130

This post is great for a debate on the 3RD Grade Level maxrandb Jun 2013 #109

That's still 4 grade levels higher than what passes for debate in Congress. hobbit709 Jun 2013 #112

Best post about this whole smear campaign graham4anything Jun 2013 #124

Lol, another buffoon who buys into the "Dems are automatically good" rubbish. Daniel537 Jun 2013 #177

You forget a very important point maxrandb Jun 2013 #179

Haha! Apples and oranges, but have fun! nt babylonsister Jun 2013 #126

"poutrage" is an obvious right wing think tank term. We should not repeat it. grahamhgreen Jun 2013 #133

the Groupies are prone to its usage too Skittles Jun 2013 #172