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MichaelMcGuire

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29. Under International law

Reply to liberal N proud (Original post)

Sun Jun 9, 2013, 12:40 PM

Jun 2013

The UN Charter

Chapter 1 (Article 1) "To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace."

http://www.un.org/en/documents/charter/chapter1.shtml

(ICCPR) International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and (ICESCR) International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights

Article 1
"All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development."......

http://www.ohchr.org/EN/ProfessionalInterest/Pages/CCPR.aspx

(UDHR) Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Article 15

http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml#a15

everyone has the right to a nationality and that no one should be arbitrarily deprived of a nationality or denied the right to change nationality.

Only issue Under International law is there is no legal definition of "peoples". However populations in Yugoslavia for example where considered "peoples" regardless of their diversity within each federal unit.

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Can a county secede from a state? [View all] liberal N proud Jun 2013 OP

This message was self-deleted by its author Nimajneb Nilknarf Jun 2013 #1

Federal law is sorta vocal actually on that Caretha Jun 2013 #6

+1. Awesome, 'tree. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #9

Yuppers some wanted to do that in Vermont...too Historic NY Jun 2013 #36

And here pipi_k Jun 2013 #47

"If I can't have it MY way, I'll be rebellious" The politics of the new American century HereSince1628 Jun 2013 #2

Continuing the Great American Tradition telclaven Jun 2013 #60

The Constitution guarantees that a state's boundaries are secure Kolesar Jun 2013 #3

yes Rise Rebel Resist Jun 2013 #4

Uh....no Caretha Jun 2013 #7

Uh .... yes. former9thward Jun 2013 #31

uh yes Rise Rebel Resist Jun 2013 #41

Weld County and the far northeastern plains counties... hlthe2b Jun 2013 #5

Maybe those counties should have been part of Nebraska liberal N proud Jun 2013 #8

But Greeley is the home of the University of Northern Colorado. alp227 Jun 2013 #30

Not so much... UNC is pretty small hlthe2b Jun 2013 #32

Relocate it. JHB Jun 2013 #43

Go take a look at what it took for West Virginia to pull off this stunt 1-Old-Man Jun 2013 #10

The rest of the world is laughing in their faces. n/t backscatter712 Jun 2013 #11

why? i would say the rest of the world understands self determination, as there are movements loli phabay Jun 2013 #13

Workin real well for Syria, Iraq, Pakistan/India border, etc. etc. n2doc Jun 2013 #15

and yet we lie and say we support the right of self determination, i get that there are laws against loli phabay Jun 2013 #18

Sometimes the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few n2doc Jun 2013 #21

The citizens in northeastern Colorado had the chance to vote truebluegreen Jun 2013 #22

Self determination MichaelMcGuire Jun 2013 #23

yup, all peoples should have the right to decide what entity tbey belong to loli phabay Jun 2013 #24

Separate discussion on merits of independence as self determination means simply self determination MichaelMcGuire Jun 2013 #34

If they don't like that they have the right to vote on representatives, kestrel91316 Jun 2013 #53

How does any of what you've said negate a basic human right of self determination. MichaelMcGuire Jun 2013 #57

It doesn't. But YOU don't get to impose your desired form of fascism on a majority kestrel91316 Jun 2013 #58

"It doesn't" we're in agreement then. MichaelMcGuire Jun 2013 #59

They want to keep all the Wattenberg oil money. Pretty plain to see. eom TransitJohn Jun 2013 #12

I wouldn't mind giving northern Colorado back to Spain, provided struggle4progress Jun 2013 #14

stop it with the "Northern Colorado" crap... this is NOT Northern Colorado. It is very rural hlthe2b Jun 2013 #16

OK. Apologies. Mebbe we could just offer to give the morons back to Spain then? struggle4progress Jun 2013 #20

Who used to own your state? former9thward Jun 2013 #33

You mean, before England? struggle4progress Jun 2013 #38

Go back as far as you want. former9thward Jun 2013 #40

dinosaurs. loli phabay Jun 2013 #48

The Smithsonian Museum of Natural History now has a state! former9thward Jun 2013 #50

! struggle4progress Jun 2013 #56

It would lead to some interesting situations...maybe worth pursuing Glorfindel Jun 2013 #17

this shit always amounts to nothing. About 10 years ago the resort town of Killington, VT cali Jun 2013 #19

I live in a city that seceded rom the State. Baitball Blogger Jun 2013 #25

Where is that? Nt marlakay Jun 2013 #44

Red county in suburban Central Florida. Baitball Blogger Jun 2013 #49

NO they cant. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #26

The Conch Republic has been trying that for years. lpbk2713 Jun 2013 #27

Yep, it's never boring here! madamesilverspurs Jun 2013 #28

Under International law MichaelMcGuire Jun 2013 #29

This happens in California periodically. The northern half tries to secede from Cleita Jun 2013 #35

"I would be really surprised if they succeed in doing it." Ter Jun 2013 #37

What does Weld County have going on. Open, flat land, some oil drilling, fracking..what else? Tikki Jun 2013 #39

I live in the beginning of east side of WA state in mountains marlakay Jun 2013 #42

Counties are created by the states dragonlady Jun 2013 #45

I see fracking interests are supporting the loonies. politicat Jun 2013 #46

The Constitution allows them to form a new state or join another state with the permission... Recursion Jun 2013 #51

Sometimes a two-state solution tblue Jun 2013 #52

We could give them to Kansas. They'd fit right in. kestrel91316 Jun 2013 #54

Unless you think Maine is still part of Massachusetts, it is possible. dimbear Jun 2013 #55