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mbperrin

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46. Umm, the Soviet Union was rife with corruption and money to the top from the beginning.
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 01:31 PM
Jun 2013

Looked around a bit at China lately? Bit of an Industrial Revolution there at this moment.

It was my pleasure to have a 15 year old Chinese exchange student take my senior economics class this year. Top of her class with a near-perfect mark, eager to learn, bright, daughter of an accountant and a work at home mom.

Know what really caught her eye? She commented on the second day of class how many trash dumpsters there were in the alleys for so few houses.

And if work doesn't pay enough to make a living, why should we do it? Let some of these hedge fund guys cut their own hedges and mow their own lawns in this 100 degree weather, change their own oil, just thinking that after they are treated for heatstroke, they might appreciate the underclass a bit more.

Of course, I have a bias in these things - my grandfather was a member of the IWW organizing the oilfields in the 30s, and my dad helped organized the United Postal Workers, and I, counter to many in Texas, don't belong to a "professional teacher's association." I belong to the American Federation of Teachers, AFL-CIO.

So if I seem a little cavalier in my attitude that there are far too many resources wasted on people who simply don't produce and cannot produce anything real to justify that expenditure and far too few resources invested in people who could actually make our lives better in every way.

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k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Jun 2013 #1
Naive but I'm sure it sells...nt greytdemocrat Jun 2013 #2
Why naive? 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #8
I agree...... socialist_n_TN Jun 2013 #15
+1 Go Vols Jun 2013 #33
Hell ya...... daleanime Jun 2013 #63
+1000 heaven05 Jun 2013 #20
That last sentence says it all. If you make a profit by not hiring, or by offshoring, that's a goal. freshwest Jun 2013 #71
Hell ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #84
True... That's for the Private Sovereign Wealth Barons... It's a game for them. freshwest Jun 2013 #85
To Sensible Liberals, any alternative to the status quo is naive nxylas Jun 2013 #73
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #11
It's naive because the poster buys into it NJCher Jun 2013 #39
Not exactly. MattSh Jun 2013 #49
You're right . Blanks Jun 2013 #52
If truth = naivete, then you are correct. AAO Jun 2013 #43
I take it you mean "sells" in something other than dollars. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #56
Cynical, but I'm sure . . . brush Jun 2013 #70
Actually very insightful. rucky Jun 2013 #74
You also need capital to do all of those things. Skidmore Jun 2013 #3
Don't see anything there about volunteer work. truebluegreen Jun 2013 #7
Exactly. The Ayn Randian claims that treestar Jun 2013 #28
I agree--Randians live a virtually fact-free existence. nt truebluegreen Jun 2013 #29
Just like libertarians ... they all have there heads up there proverbial arses MindMover Jun 2013 #44
Your concern ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #9
the implication seems to be that we the peoole decide how some of the capital is spent. pepperbear Jun 2013 #17
Very true. HOWEVER...... socialist_n_TN Jun 2013 #35
Capital? How about tapping the $30 trillion pscot Jun 2013 #18
Hmmm??? And how can we do that?.... socialist_n_TN Jun 2013 #23
I'm not fond of the argument, but that is essentially true bhikkhu Jun 2013 #25
Now I'm going to ask a stupid question BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #41
We all know the CCC and the WPA among other programs almost destroyed A Simple Game Jun 2013 #60
Love it. nt limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #4
Fuckin' "A", Bubba! Fuddnik Jun 2013 #5
30 some years of privatizing anything and everything JEB Jun 2013 #6
Sorry, but that's not how the bills get paid. Ikonoklast Jun 2013 #10
you pay taxes and don't expect some will go to preserving the safety and general welfare of your bettyellen Jun 2013 #19
That's one of those Randian half truths pscot Jun 2013 #27
I ignored nothing. I know exactly how fortunes were made in this nation. Ikonoklast Jun 2013 #62
Bootstraps! BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #47
You and two others completely mis-read what I posted. Ikonoklast Jun 2013 #61
You're an island! BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #64
I didn't. We started with slavery and indentured servitude with... TreasonousBastard Jun 2013 #79
It's because capitalism as an economic system is a complete failure. fasttense Jun 2013 #12
Enthusiastic Rec! BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #48
Spot on. And the primary institution that can organize this work gtar100 Jun 2013 #13
Yes, that worked very well in the Soviet Union and Communist China aristocles Jun 2013 #30
Umm, the Soviet Union was rife with corruption and money to the top from the beginning. mbperrin Jun 2013 #46
You seem to be conflating dissimilar concepts. Chan790 Jun 2013 #81
Those are extreme cases that did/do *not* work well. gtar100 Jun 2013 #82
unrestricted, illegal, immoral and unethical capitalism is a complete fail on all levels, yes. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2013 #14
Unrestricted ANYTHING always fails. DFW Jun 2013 #16
And private enterprise is a totalitarian system. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #21
you and I are in violent agreement . unless there is any misunderstanding here. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2013 #22
Not that I can tell DFW Jun 2013 #24
Well people can do that for free. dkf Jun 2013 #26
Robber barons & Corporations get infrastructure 'for free' leftstreet Jun 2013 #32
I doubt you would be happy with anything they did with their time. dkf Jun 2013 #36
On ayn rand-om day you'd be happy to cheer 1%ers n/t leftstreet Jun 2013 #38
omg n/t OneGrassRoot Jun 2013 #50
The $$$ is there, but it's not doing useful work. DinahMoeHum Jun 2013 #31
DURec leftstreet Jun 2013 #34
When People Get Laid Off . . FairWinds Jun 2013 #37
Eliminate the GOP, and corporatism will end BanTheGOP Jun 2013 #40
Voters eliminated the GOP in 2006 & 2008 n/t leftstreet Jun 2013 #42
Well, theoretically and in name, yes . . . . HughBeaumont Jun 2013 #55
The most oversimplified statement on DU today treestar Jun 2013 #68
I want to live in this world you speak of. Where might I find it? gtar100 Jun 2013 #83
No way. The Ruling Elite made up of corporate power own a good share of the DEmocratic Party. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #67
Sorry, but "corporatism" has both major parties in its pocket. marmar Jun 2013 #69
Let's not forget the major-funded third party that presents itself as some "viable alternative" HughBeaumont Jun 2013 #80
The 1% has guaranteed the shity employment numbers for their own sinister interests. AAO Jun 2013 #45
Cheap labor rucky Jun 2013 #75
. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #51
which is how 50 jobs for the XL Pipeline seems more important than the millions needed to fix our PatrynXX Jun 2013 #53
great point...but what about survival? FirstLight Jun 2013 #54
CORRECT Skittles Jun 2013 #57
What a brilliant correlation between the Profits trump peace mind set, and unemployment.... midnight Jun 2013 #58
I *hate* the term "unemployed". mwooldri Jun 2013 #59
The thread seems to have drawn out the libertarians. nt awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #65
yep, an awful lot of capitalism worship here (n/t) a2liberal Jun 2013 #72
I don't think ... david13 Jun 2013 #66
K&R for thruth! Jasana Jun 2013 #76
Having K&R'd that, I'll say this... MrMickeysMom Jun 2013 #77
It all comes back to GREED! liberal N proud Jun 2013 #78
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