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kentuck

(115,849 posts) Sun Jun 9, 2013, 01:38 PM Jun 2013

If we don't fix this under a Democratic President, it will never be fixed. [View all]

Republicans love this secrecy and spying. They created it. The "national security" excuse permits them to continue spending trillions of dollars on defense and defense-related programs. That's the bottom line for Republicans.

If President Obama has to take a little heat for these exposures, then so be it. We need to get the truth, at a bare minimum. We should continue to demand more from these secret organizations. Somebody has to be guarding the guardians. In our country, we have chosen the free press for that job.

We should also recognize that if we don't fix it now, we will probably never fix it. It is important. It is not a trivial matter. It is non-partisan. It is about how much freedom we wish to keep and how much freedom we wish to give to the government?

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If we don't fix this under a Democratic President, it will never be fixed. [View all] kentuck Jun 2013 OP

Well, actually Truman signed the order creating the CIA villager Jun 2013 #1

Yes, that is true. kentuck Jun 2013 #2

Truman regretted it... Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #5

Well, those regrets do little us for us now, with the MIC firmly in place. villager Jun 2013 #9

The whole mess is so institutionalized that there's little chance to change it... Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #10

Dramatic change of policies indeed.... villager Jun 2013 #16

Fuck agent Mike... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #75

Democratic majorities in both houses and a Democratic President is the only way xtraxritical Jun 2013 #96

what was the context that led to the creation of the NSA? RainDog Jun 2013 #20

Always good to remind folks of Operation Paperclip villager Jun 2013 #25

I repeated a joke to a friend to describe the CIA. Savannahmann Jun 2013 #24

part of the reason he did that DonCoquixote Jun 2013 #31

Kick and REC!! Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #3

+1000 dkf Jun 2013 #4

I agree with you. Needs fixing. I also feel it would be good to have all the facts. emulatorloo Jun 2013 #6

Another reason why we need to nominate and elect Elizabeth Warren in 2016. nt Zorra Jun 2013 #7

I agree Yo_Mama Jun 2013 #8

Franklin said "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure"and was talking about preventing 9-11 graham4anything Jun 2013 #11

Yes, Benjamin Franklin was talking about government spying and terrorists in jet airplanes. Marr Jun 2013 #15

Your position is that Smirk and Sneer are blameless for 9/11 because they didn't have the tools Fumesucker Jun 2013 #35

preventing 9-11 from happening again. Seems the #characters got cut off on the cut/paste graham4anything Jun 2013 #37

Absolute, unadulterated nonsense. theaocp Jun 2013 #59

Every single gun could be removed from the street, except for the NRA's interference. graham4anything Jun 2013 #60

We had enough security in place to prevent the attacks on the WTC. But for some reason they didnt rhett o rick Jun 2013 #80

The constittuion is a living breathing thing. Which means it is not set in stone. graham4anything Jun 2013 #81

I dont want anymore of Obama thank you. I want a true Democrat that wants to support rhett o rick Jun 2013 #82

Same old name calling and Ron Paul soundbytes.At least we can all agree on reintrpreting the 2nd. graham4anything Jun 2013 #85

Unlike yourself I am against all of Bush's policies that stomped on our Constitution. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #87

same soundbytes as the libertarians. Me, I want an 80-20 and have legislature pass like it did graham4anything Jun 2013 #88

And there it is. progressoid Jun 2013 #89

It is the same talking points Rand Paul/Ron Paul uses, the same Nader used. graham4anything Jun 2013 #90

And now Nader too! progressoid Jun 2013 #91

This message was self-deleted by its author graham4anything Jun 2013 #92

Security did a bang up job in Boston. nt awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #76

an event that 2 thrillkill fame seekers did,who planned on July 4 so they didn't even know the date graham4anything Jun 2013 #77

Fixing the CIA and their like has been tried. meanit Jun 2013 #12

Even Carter tried - +1 for Carter byeya Jun 2013 #14

...and we saw how that wound up. nt. villager Jun 2013 #33

Yup. roamer65 Jun 2013 #51

Unfortunately... 99Forever Jun 2013 #13

That is why he is going to have to make a choice with whom he stands on this issue? kentuck Jun 2013 #17

And a Senate. Fuddnik Jun 2013 #69

Not with a Republican Congress treestar Jun 2013 #18

Well, ProSense Jun 2013 #19

And if he doesn't find a way to help us (the people) fix it... kentuck Jun 2013 #22

oh, for fuck's sake RainDog Jun 2013 #32

What are the "actual concerns"? kentuck Jun 2013 #34

actual concerns are in your OP RainDog Jun 2013 #36

Oh sorry. kentuck Jun 2013 #38

that's what they do for a living Skittles Jun 2013 #62

Upton Sinclair said it best. OnyxCollie Jun 2013 #45

Well said. kentuck Jun 2013 #48

There is no, A Simple Game Jun 2013 #68

Well, ProSense Jun 2013 #70

It ain't gonna be fixed. Autumn Jun 2013 #21

Then, they will need to take the heat... kentuck Jun 2013 #23

Excellent point. KNR leveymg Jun 2013 #26

"When is the right time? If not now, when? If not us, who?� suffragette Jun 2013 #27

Well, duh. Skidmore Jun 2013 #28

People are imperfect beings. Savannahmann Jun 2013 #29

Well said, Savannahman. kentuck Jun 2013 #30

^^^THIS^^^ is a perfect example of why DU needs an individual post rec feature. Melinda Jun 2013 #79

Right, in fact I consider it marions ghost Jun 2013 #93

It will be fixed whenever there is enough uproar over it Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2013 #39

Fix it my voting in 2014 and NOT staying home nakocal Jun 2013 #40

That's not what happened. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #43

Congress needs to change the laws Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #54

The President has NO intention of changing this MNBrewer Jun 2013 #67

Progressives don't stay home. Union Scribe Jun 2013 #83

derpa derpa derp frylock Jun 2013 #97

I would be willing to bet that Obama had that discussion with..... Bonhomme Richard Jun 2013 #41

Well, it was created as part of the war effort against the "war on terror"... kentuck Jun 2013 #49

yes Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #56

You have rationalized him as a coward humbled_opinion Jun 2013 #57

It'll never be fixed. THIS IS BIPARTISAN. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #42

precisely. alterfurz Jun 2013 #58

If only we had one. forestpath Jun 2013 #44

+1. We're still waiting tblue Jun 2013 #95

It will become the baseline for future Republican presidents AgingAmerican Jun 2013 #46

The problem with this is, we apparently only "thought" we had a Democrat for a President. faithnomore Jun 2013 #47

+1000 Many here agree with what you said. RC Jun 2013 #72

even under a Democratic president DonCoquixote Jun 2013 #50

This message was self-deleted by its author mother earth Jun 2013 #52

You will never see "a fix" from our current power structure. roamer65 Jun 2013 #53

Agreed. k&r n/t Laelth Jun 2013 #55

It cannot be fixed until it self destructs. Imagine a boot stomping a human face forever. nt Demo_Chris Jun 2013 #61

Same could have been said at another critical point in our nation's history. Octafish Jun 2013 #63

Get it done.... Fix it.... midnight Jun 2013 #64

President Obama has said H2O Man Jun 2013 #65

Exccellent point, Waterman.. kentuck Jun 2013 #66

+1 Little Star Jun 2013 #71

You sure as hell can't even play "fix it later" by tolerating, accepting, or even supporting it TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #73

Big old K&R. nt awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #74

I love the sentiment, but babylonsister Jun 2013 #78

This is true. But it'll probably have to be the next one. nt Union Scribe Jun 2013 #84

Unfortunately, it won't be fixed under this particular Democratic president. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #86

We need a progressive president. nt valerief Jun 2013 #94

true, reusrename Jun 2013 #98