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In reply to the discussion: Looks like Greenwald might have a lot more... [View all]JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Who Greenwald is or what it did in the past or might do in the future is not the issue.
The issue is the massive spying that Obama and the NSA are doing on the American people.
The issue is a so-called "democratic" government that in no way is answering to the wishes of the people who elected it.
The issue is that our government does things without communicating to us that it is doing them.
The issue is that there may be a massive collection of data about us, about the American people in general, or perhaps about some of us as individuals and we seem to have been given no notice of it and no ability to see it or challenge it.
The issue is that we are wondering what else the NSA and "our" "elected" government is doing behind our backs.
The issue is that the government is spending money, probably huge amounts of money, on this wasteful program while some groups in our country want to cut food stamps and Social Security because we are supposedly short on money.
And these are just a few of the issues that Glenn Greenwald is directly or indirectly raising.
A lot of big Obama fans don't want to admit just how much the existence of these secret programs violates their and all of our human rights.
What does the Fourth Amendment mean? Sure. The government should be able to get phone records if they actually suspect an individual or an organization of a crime. But this blanket collection of information is outrageous. So our outrage is justified.
And if you doubt that the collection of information is blanket and covers an overly broad assortment of information, please READ THE COPY OF THE COURT ORDER ATTACHED TO THE GLENN GREENWALD ARTICLE IN THE GUARDIAN THAT SET THIS WHOLE SCANDAL OFF.
We who are offended did not start this scandal. Neither did Fox News. Some fool in NSA who thought that an easy way to identify terrorists would be to just suspect everyone and prepare a dragnet wide enough to snoop on everyone caused it.
So now they have a record of every phone call that Dennis Kucinich or Marcy Kaptur, John Edwards or Anthony Wiener or Bill Clinton or John Boehner or you and I make. Does our government need that? Should they have that? Do they have a right to have that? No. Not in my view. How can they claim to have any cause at all to gather information on all the telephone calls of all of us including the Supreme Court Justices such as Anthony Scalia, John Roberts and all the rest. This is overly broad. It is overly inclusive. There is no justification for it. And, in my opinion, it chills every single right that is guaranteed to us in the Bill of Rights, every one of them.
No mass surveillance of Americans, not by our government or anyone else's. Do we need the United Nations to take this up?