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In reply to the discussion: I will tell you what I've been told for many years: [View all]csziggy
(34,189 posts)49. FBI Carnivore system was implemented in 1997
I remember talking about it with people online over a decade ago. One of the things we joked about was if we put the word "bomb" into every online conversation and email, it could overload the monitoring system and crash it.
Carnivore Details Emerge
Kevin Poulsen, SecurityFocus 2000-10-04
A web spying capability, multi-million dollar price tag, and a secret Carnivore ancestor are some of the details to poke through heavy FBI editing.
Carnivore is remarkably tolerant of network aberration, such a speed change, data corruption and targeted smurf type attacks.
FBI report
WASHINGTON--The FBI's Carnivore surveillance tool monitors more than just email. Newly declassified documents obtained by Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC) under the Freedom of Information Act reveal that Carnivore can monitor all of a target user's Internet traffic, and, in conjunction with other FBI tools, can reconstruct web pages exactly as a surveillance target saw them while surfing the web. The capability is one of the new details to emerge from some six-hundred pages of heavily redacted documents given to the Washington-based nonprofit group this week, and reviewed by SecurityFocus Wednesday. The documents confirm that Carnivore grew from an earlier FBI project called Omnivore, but reveal for the first time that Omnivore itself replaced a still older tool. The name of that project was carefully blacked out of the documents, and remains classified "secret." The older surveillance system had "deficiencies that rendered the design solution unacceptable." The project was eventually shut down. Development of Omnivore began in February 1997, and the first prototypes were delivered on October 31st of that year. The FBI's eagerness to use the system may have slowed its development: one report notes that it became "difficult to maintain the schedule," because the Bureau deployed the nascent surveillance tool for "several emergency situations" while it was still in beta release. "The field deployments used development team personnel to support the technical challenges surrounding the insertion of the OMNIVORE device," reads the report. The 'Phiple Troenix' Project In September 1998, the FBI network surveillance lab in Quantico launched a project to move Omnivore from Sun's Solaris operating system to a Windows NT platform. "This will facilitate the miniaturization of the system and support a wide range of personal computer (PC) equipment," notes the project's Statement of Need. (Other reasons for the switch were redacted from the documents.) The project was called "Phiple Troenix"--apparently a spoonerism of "Triple Phoenix," a type of palm tree--and its result was dubbed "Carnivore."
http://www.securityfocus.com/news/97
Kevin Poulsen, SecurityFocus 2000-10-04
A web spying capability, multi-million dollar price tag, and a secret Carnivore ancestor are some of the details to poke through heavy FBI editing.
Carnivore is remarkably tolerant of network aberration, such a speed change, data corruption and targeted smurf type attacks.
FBI report
WASHINGTON--The FBI's Carnivore surveillance tool monitors more than just email. Newly declassified documents obtained by Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC) under the Freedom of Information Act reveal that Carnivore can monitor all of a target user's Internet traffic, and, in conjunction with other FBI tools, can reconstruct web pages exactly as a surveillance target saw them while surfing the web. The capability is one of the new details to emerge from some six-hundred pages of heavily redacted documents given to the Washington-based nonprofit group this week, and reviewed by SecurityFocus Wednesday. The documents confirm that Carnivore grew from an earlier FBI project called Omnivore, but reveal for the first time that Omnivore itself replaced a still older tool. The name of that project was carefully blacked out of the documents, and remains classified "secret." The older surveillance system had "deficiencies that rendered the design solution unacceptable." The project was eventually shut down. Development of Omnivore began in February 1997, and the first prototypes were delivered on October 31st of that year. The FBI's eagerness to use the system may have slowed its development: one report notes that it became "difficult to maintain the schedule," because the Bureau deployed the nascent surveillance tool for "several emergency situations" while it was still in beta release. "The field deployments used development team personnel to support the technical challenges surrounding the insertion of the OMNIVORE device," reads the report. The 'Phiple Troenix' Project In September 1998, the FBI network surveillance lab in Quantico launched a project to move Omnivore from Sun's Solaris operating system to a Windows NT platform. "This will facilitate the miniaturization of the system and support a wide range of personal computer (PC) equipment," notes the project's Statement of Need. (Other reasons for the switch were redacted from the documents.) The project was called "Phiple Troenix"--apparently a spoonerism of "Triple Phoenix," a type of palm tree--and its result was dubbed "Carnivore."
http://www.securityfocus.com/news/97
Frankly, since seeing "Three Days of the Condor" I haven't been surprised about any government monitoring of any communications.
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It is that kind of apathy that has made it all possible. They WANT us to just accept it.
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#26
Thanks for the additional input. Sincerely. I understand your tone a bit better.
GoneFishin
Jun 2013
#9
I think that the point isn't that they're doing it, we've known for generations that the government
Egalitarian Thug
Jun 2013
#8
If counter-terrorism will forever be an infinite resource used by the Govt, then
JaneyVee
Jun 2013
#10
I agree, if we want this to change lets log off of DU and start taking action. Otherwise
JaneyVee
Jun 2013
#12
If your premise is accepted then how do electoral politics remain impactive
TheKentuckian
Jun 2013
#16
So why would tearing down President Obama get anyone what they would want?
graham4anything
Jun 2013
#25
Carter was removed by the dirty tricks of Bush Sr. CIA's. Time for payback against that clique of
leveymg
Jun 2013
#51
He's got our attention, and this is not the time to let a show of loyalty overtake our
leveymg
Jun 2013
#59
That argument also raises the question 'why should we vote at all if everything is pre-determined
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#30
I assume he did not mention which state was most closely tied to those devices.
GoneFishin
Jun 2013
#18
Well, I don't believe your friend, so I am not worried about dying a fiery death. I'm more worried
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#31
How do you know what people are doing in real life? You don't, and now that we know we are being
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#34
If people were capable of logical thinking, another attack would prove that all the killing and
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#37
I am afraid of that too. Look at this site eg, the willingness to accept what used to be
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#42
apparently Clinton's "Thin Thread" program was discarded in favor of the current setup
steve2470
Jun 2013
#43
People act like big brother hasn't ever been watching. Since before WWII and probably before
southernyankeebelle
Jun 2013
#29
It was changed, when people got angry enough, at least it was reigned in after the Nixon scandal.
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#40
I'm not surprised by anything you're saying. We used to make horror movies about machines
lindysalsagal
Jun 2013
#33
Right. Professional sports are a full-time substitute for millions of people who no longer really
lindysalsagal
Jun 2013
#39
I just covered the camera on my laptop: You've got me really PARANOID now!!
lindysalsagal
Jun 2013
#45
"if an individual uses certain words in a telephone conversation..." Bourne Supremacy.
Buzz Clik
Jun 2013
#58
It's nothing new. I remember with old rotary dial lines you could hear clicks on the line.
alphafemale
Jun 2013
#60