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timdog44

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21. I think the secrecy that goes with the obtaining of info

Sun Jun 9, 2013, 08:01 PM

Jun 2013

is the same as revealing what it has accomplished. And that for the reason to not reveal how the info was obtained.

I think all our amendment rights need to be amended as time goes on. The original were written many years ago when some of the things, and actually most of the things we have could not be even conceived of at that time.

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From those of us who haven't been asleep for the last 12 years [View all] jazzimov Jun 2013 OP

We've begun to see that congress is no protector of our rights. dkf Jun 2013 #1

this is the new scandal giftedgirl77 Jun 2013 #2

This is one of the things I have timdog44 Jun 2013 #20

Thanks giftedgirl77 Jun 2013 #24

You are welcome. timdog44 Jun 2013 #25

I can see the picture of human need and I see you. I hope you get what you need soon. freshwest Jun 2013 #35

I am compleatly with you. We will fix this, in time............... wandy Jun 2013 #34

yes but I'm lucky giftedgirl77 Jun 2013 #40

And what has all this data collection gotten us? RC Jun 2013 #3

By the same token, one might ask frazzled Jun 2013 #5

one could ask, but it would be a stupid question for multiple reasons. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #6

It's only stupid if you want to be dogmatic frazzled Jun 2013 #7

actually, it's not. 'harm' is not the rubric for constitutional rights. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #8

For "Some" that's "Old News" they live in the "NETHER WORLD." (eom) KoKo Jun 2013 #17

Actually, it is old news in the sense that jazzimov Jun 2013 #28

Let's look at The Patriot Act. It has been VERY EFFECTIVE! Warren DeMontague Jun 2013 #30

every thirty seconds someone is arrested for cannabis... nebenaube Jun 2013 #31

I think the secrecy that goes with the obtaining of info timdog44 Jun 2013 #21

It didn't stop Boston. nt awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #22

Which it would have IF it had been as extensive jazzimov Jun 2013 #29

See also this timeline frazzled Jun 2013 #4

What we don't know, and what Obama promised / hinted we would DirkGently Jun 2013 #9

Thank you! jazzimov Jun 2013 #11

Thank you for some perspective loyalsister Jun 2013 #42

Thanks for the reality post, jazz Cha Jun 2013 #10

Thanks for everything you have tried to do! jazzimov Jun 2013 #13

I know you do.. Cha Jun 2013 #18

You Yourself Said You Didn't Trust WikiPedia - Why Should I Trust Obama Or This Government cantbeserious Jun 2013 #12

Record. nt. jazzimov Jun 2013 #14

Governments Should Fear Their Citizens - Wonder Who Said That? - I'll Stand With Jefferson cantbeserious Jun 2013 #23

You left one out, blanket surveillance of ALL digital and phone comm usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #15

Hell Yeah! CHECK IT OUT...and get rid of CNN! KoKo Jun 2013 #16

http://epic.org/2013/06/epic-to-congress-verizon-surve-1.html stupidicus Jun 2013 #19

Yes. And Greenwald has been writing about the surveillance state since 2006 Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #26

Fuck Greenwald. jazzimov Jun 2013 #36

Oh! You know him personally? Say hi to him for me! Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #37

I assume the following shaded area is directly from you: snappyturtle Jun 2013 #27

It was misrepresented in two ways. jeff47 Jun 2013 #33

See this is what gets me. When you say "apparently false"...by whom? snappyturtle Jun 2013 #39

That presentation just said they got the information. jeff47 Jun 2013 #41

Oh boy! Are you OK with this? I don't think the NSA should have the data period snappyturtle Jun 2013 #43

You have to remember there's no suspect jeff47 Jun 2013 #44

Intelligence? Come on....the gov't has records for my social security info since I was a snappyturtle Jun 2013 #45

And those bits of data aren't part of these programs. jeff47 Jun 2013 #46

Good grief....you spent about half of your reply stating what I've all ready said snappyturtle Jun 2013 #47

12 years to be awake is no small feat! boston bean Jun 2013 #32

Deja DU via Google Search: "L. Coyote" spying site:democraticunderground.com Coyotl Jun 2013 #38