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maxrandb

(17,423 posts)
23. You're not giving up any privacy
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 09:08 PM
Jun 2013

What do you think happens when you make a phone call? What do you think happens when you go on the internet?

Amazing how even DU can place ads on the page that coincide with what you may have shown interest in...everything from dental insurance to New Cars.

How do you think courts get phone records in a criminal, or even civil trial? They go to the people who collect that data, and order it be handed over.

The fact is, whether we like it or not, data on what we do on the internet, who we call on our cellphones and landlines, where we go in our car equipped with GPS, where we use our Credit Cards and what we buy, etc, etc, etc...is being collected all over the place.

The innocuous phone data that A COLLECTION OF FEDERAL JUDGES authorized to be collected, that CONGRESS WAS FULLY BRIEFED ON, and that has been collected FOR OVER 12 YEARS is completely and entirely useless, unless and until there is a valid and compelling reason to retrieve and review it.

How this program works is that, suppose there is a terrorist attack, or we catch a bunch of folks that were planning an attack, say or "your town", or they had plans to bring down a city block where your family lived, or your children went to school. As part of that "criminal investigation" or "arrest", the FBI seizes these folks cellphones. They then go before a Federal Judge and request that the NSA database be searched for numbers called by that phone number. This database would provide the FBI with vital information that could prove vital to our national security.

I happen to think that's a good thing.

Folks who try to make this program more than it is, or think that the "gubmint" is listening to your phone calls, or "spying" on you, are - just - plain - WRONG!

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Because liberals are traditionally treated more like Enemies of the State DirkGently Jun 2013 #1
exactly RainDog Jun 2013 #7
Yet every democracy that has been overthrown Warpy Jun 2013 #26
I'm not sure about that. Many of the whistleblowers themselves are libertarians or leveymg Jun 2013 #2
The talking points have not yet been decided upon Fumesucker Jun 2013 #6
There may be a disconnect between the GOP pols and the rank & file within the IC. leveymg Jun 2013 #8
I will take principle over partisanship on this issue any time. DirkGently Jun 2013 #9
I know it's a hackneyed phrase, but some of my best friends and people I trust leveymg Jun 2013 #12
If we don't recognize when someone else gets it right DirkGently Jun 2013 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Jun 2013 #3
It's a storm that will blow over and nothing will change Fumesucker Jun 2013 #4
Republicans are trying to use this as a bullshit attractor RainDog Jun 2013 #5
Boot licking goosesteppers RobertEarl Jun 2013 #10
They are playing victim which is step #1 in their process underpants Jun 2013 #11
The irony is that they finally support something Obama is doing. nt freedom fighter jh Jun 2013 #13
That's because they are happily watching maxrandb Jun 2013 #15
They didn't have the argument when their guy was in power either Fumesucker Jun 2013 #17
No, my argument is that maxrandb Jun 2013 #19
It's either give up any privacy to government intrusion or a major city gets vaporized Fumesucker Jun 2013 #20
You're not giving up any privacy maxrandb Jun 2013 #23
When Republicans get back in power these spying programs will be used to get dirt on liberals Fumesucker Jun 2013 #25
To believe that, you'd have to believe maxrandb Jun 2013 #30
The SCOTUS had no problem sidestepping democracy and installing Smirk and Sneer in the White House Fumesucker Jun 2013 #31
this may be an opportunity... nradisic Jun 2013 #16
That's because it won't. DissidentVoice Jun 2013 #18
Actually, they are fine with it as long as it targets Liberals. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #21
I wish I could remember ... david13 Jun 2013 #22
Hell, even some Democrats embrace spying on the people. Obama, Feinstein, et al. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #24
EXACTLY! And they are trying to use this issue jazzimov Jun 2013 #27
Bear in mind that they couldn't use the issue to split us if some were not arguing in favor Fumesucker Jun 2013 #28
How can every terrorist act from Boston to Benghazi be Obama's fault if Obama is overstepping on Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #29
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