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5. nor do they have access to ALL our digital communications, not to mention that it is

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Ok, so tell me why you are concerned about the government having this data... [View all] zaj Jun 2013 OP

Because our government can put me in jail MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #1

nor do they have access to ALL our digital communications, not to mention that it is usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #5

I imagine that its debatable... zaj Jun 2013 #44

Like I said, it's how the information is used. zaj Jun 2013 #7

so why not have a bill that allows random searches of all/any homes? markiv Jun 2013 #12

We don't donate our houses to the phone company willingly. zaj Jun 2013 #36

Seriously? mercymechap Jun 2013 #78

How would you know how its used if there was no whistleblower? TampaAnimusVortex Jun 2013 #28

I agree with the latter point... zaj Jun 2013 #40

The difference being that you can sue a phone company... TampaAnimusVortex Jun 2013 #120

No, it is the fact it is collected at all. RC Jun 2013 #101

Your assumption is deeply flawed. zaj Jun 2013 #105

They do not need all that information for call volume. RC Jun 2013 #115

It's That It's Collected RobinA Jun 2013 #114

You sound like Ted Nugent. One of the 99 Jun 2013 #41

You deny that our government can do that? MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #42

I deny your and Ted's paranoia. One of the 99 Jun 2013 #88

You sound like you never heard of Don Siegelman. Octafish Jun 2013 #97

So you're agreeing with Nugent? One of the 99 Jun 2013 #116

No. I just don't agree with you, either. Octafish Jun 2013 #117

Manny and Nugent sound the same. One of the 99 Jun 2013 #118

Exactly. This is the Ron Paul libertarian movement framing it the way they want-NO gov't at all. graham4anything Jun 2013 #2

+1000nt Andy823 Jun 2013 #11

Snowden donated $500 to Ron Paul and likely voted for him. (He said third party) nt okaawhatever Jun 2013 #16

You cant be serious. You are going to allow the government to spy on everyone because Snowden rhett o rick Jun 2013 #54

I don't blame Snowden... zaj Jun 2013 #55

I don't think it's right to EITHER private companies or the government to store our data. Th1onein Jun 2013 #77

I can't believe (I can actually) nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #3

When the system is used in that way, then... zaj Jun 2013 #17

Excuse me, but AT&T does not have the power nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #21

+1 No American should even entertain this level of garbage. This is akin to being asked woo me with science Jun 2013 #63

This is a technical distinction, but it's important... zaj Jun 2013 #68

And then you can sue Verizon. zaj Jun 2013 #69

The level of ignorant garbage nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #70

Again, if you give this data to Verizon zaj Jun 2013 #73

Tell me, are telcos governments? nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #75

You are missing the point entirely. zaj Jun 2013 #79

No, I am not missing the point nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #80

I spend energy articulating details of my thoughts... zaj Jun 2013 #98

The fourth amendment is not a book nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #99

I'll stop being flip... zaj Jun 2013 #103

Simple, my rights, and yours, are not up for sale nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #106

I'm arguing process, not substance... zaj Jun 2013 #109

Excuses, excuses nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #110

I don't think you are listening... zaj Jun 2013 #112

Nah, your point is we should blame the corporations. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #113

Didn't the govt just demand the data from Verizon & the rest marions ghost Jun 2013 #100

As I said... zaj Jun 2013 #104

I'm fine with blaming both of them-- marions ghost Jun 2013 #111

Because private companies don't have data mining software that LittleBlue Jun 2013 #4

You are joking. zaj Jun 2013 #9

They might know a lot LittleBlue Jun 2013 #30

Verizon has the data zaj Jun 2013 #93

We don't even know what Prism really is. The slides have already been questioned. It does not look okaawhatever Jun 2013 #23

Who do you think invented the technologies to do the data mining JoePhilly Jun 2013 #90

Let us know when the Google SWAT team kicks in your door, shoots your dog and handcuffs you Fumesucker Jun 2013 #6

Again, it's how it's used. Not that it's collected. zaj Jun 2013 #10

History is replete with examples of such powers being misused by government Fumesucker Jun 2013 #39

And you let us know Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #49

Happened to the Mayor of Berwyn Heights, Maryland Fumesucker Jun 2013 #50

Was this incident a result of Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #53

Since we have no way of knowing the extent of the program it's impossible to tell Fumesucker Jun 2013 #57

I see. Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #61

You mean law enforcement gets out of control in the land of the free? Fumesucker Jun 2013 #65

I never made a statement about Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #71

That's what the OP was all about, Google and Verizon are no different than government Fumesucker Jun 2013 #76

I wasn't responding to the OP Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #81

And I was responding to the OP Fumesucker Jun 2013 #83

Seriously, guy ... Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #84

No sikofit3 Jun 2013 #96

Seems its a bit late to stop the intrusion at that point. I apply the breaks on my car before I hit Ed Suspicious Jun 2013 #59

the classic '2 wrongs make a right' arguement markiv Jun 2013 #8

I think you are missing my point... zaj Jun 2013 #43

Your point Le Taz Hot Jun 2013 #87

Not remotely either... zaj Jun 2013 #89

A lot of people are afraid of what COULD happen with the data. randome Jun 2013 #13

Not exactly true... zaj Jun 2013 #20

But they're not 'happy' (meaning unhappy) unless it's the government doing it. randome Jun 2013 #31

NOBODY should be creating databases of personal information. reformist2 Jun 2013 #14

Go with this. zaj Jun 2013 #18

Maybe you should tell us magellan Jun 2013 #56

Speculation here... zaj Jun 2013 #62

No it isn't the same, as has been pointed out to you multiple times already magellan Jun 2013 #66

ditto marions ghost Jun 2013 #102

We have a pretty good idea SpearthrowerOwl Jun 2013 #15

every objection I've heard on this board about the collection of this data adopts the right's framin markiv Jun 2013 #19

No, I'm saying that we need to frame the discussion... zaj Jun 2013 #25

"It is a recipie for tyranny in the U.S." Daniel Ellsberg usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #22

So are guns, aircraft, police forces in general and a dozen other things... zaj Jun 2013 #29

apples and oranges usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #33

Starting off with a false statement is no way to begin an argument. kenny blankenship Jun 2013 #24

Well I've elaborated here about my point. zaj Jun 2013 #26

Because facebook and google dont put cancer patients in prison for smoking pot. Warren DeMontague Jun 2013 #27

Koch Brothers may have singlehandedly caused hundreds or thousands of deaths by spending billions of zaj Jun 2013 #34

That is a whole mess of logical fallacies wrapped in a two sentence post. Warren DeMontague Jun 2013 #37

You assume a lot here... zaj Jun 2013 #47

I'm not hung up on sin. Warren DeMontague Jun 2013 #82

When Verizon is bought by... zaj Jun 2013 #94

Because a government that considers every citizen a potential threat has no legitimacy. rug Jun 2013 #32

That's not remotely what they are doing... zaj Jun 2013 #35

Every call and email is logged, to be revisited as needed. rug Jun 2013 #38

Every call is logged by Verizon zaj Jun 2013 #45

Verizon is not the government and is illegitimate for entirely other reasons. rug Jun 2013 #48

That's nonsense. zaj Jun 2013 #95

The ACLU and the EFF are not adopting "the right's framing." DirkGently Jun 2013 #46

Oh good, another private industry versus Government collection thread. Savannahmann Jun 2013 #51

Disagree completely... zaj Jun 2013 #52

Yes I would have recourse. Savannahmann Jun 2013 #58

You can't stop them from using the data they gathered in any way they wanted, including mining it... zaj Jun 2013 #60

Why vote???????????? marions ghost Jun 2013 #108

Are we trying a variation of the old "the credit card companies track your spending" bullshit? TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #64

Verizon mines the exact same data... zaj Jun 2013 #67

Let us know when the Google SWAT team kicks in your door, shoots your dog and handcuffs you Fumesucker Jun 2013 #72

So we agree, it's how it used that we should be focused on. zaj Jun 2013 #74

1.) The Government is not private industry. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #85

Back out one level... zaj Jun 2013 #92

Employers, Credit issuers, Insurers, etc. using this type of data rucky Jun 2013 #86

100% zaj Jun 2013 #91

Why are you not concerned? hobbit709 Jun 2013 #107

Because the 4th Amendment. Because a chilling effect upon dissent and protest. Because paranoia. Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #119