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DisgustipatedinCA

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122. I'll set up a lab network where you "own" router A and Router B.

Sun Jun 9, 2013, 10:46 PM

Jun 2013

I'll own the switch between you, playing the part of the circuit provider. You'll send data from a network behind Router A to a destination in a network between Router B. I'll capture traffic that you send while you look for some sign in your network that I'm getting a copy of your traffic--every packet between A and B. You can have CDP Information on the switch. ill let you see the config if you want, whatever. You'll pay me $500 when I send you the capture file showing every packet sent and received.

Even non-technical people reading this will easily deduce that if I have the machine between your two routers, I can pretty obviously get at the data.

I suggest snooper2 adjudicate this. He and I don't see eye to eye very often in the political arena, but I trust his truthfulness, and I know he's also a seasoned network engineer.

This is a very foolish bet for you to take, but I'll be glad to take the bet. I know of what I speak, and the setup is trivial.

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Snowden says that he had "the authorities" to wiretap anyone -- even the President. [View all] pnwmom Jun 2013 OP

He makes some grandiose claims. His affect, coupled with the msanthrope Jun 2013 #1

They said he worked there for 3 months NightWatcher Jun 2013 #2

Well, he isn't saying he had that capability at Booz Allen Hamilton Recursion Jun 2013 #40

He's full of crap giftedgirl77 Jun 2013 #3

impossible to do something like that wouldn't send off bells a whistles. warrior1 Jun 2013 #4

That's an ironic twist, innit? OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #15

I don't see that connection. BlueStreak Jun 2013 #87

He was supposed to be in networking and the "repair" side if you will. I got the impression that he okaawhatever Jun 2013 #89

That's not true treestar Jun 2013 #5

As Manning's case has demonstrated, if you have the access, the capability is there usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #6

He says he has "the authorities." Do you believe that? n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #9

I believe as a system administrator with 'root' access he has access to much more info than anyone usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #17

I doubt the NSA's computer systems are anything like the ones you or I use. randome Jun 2013 #10

Then they would have a lot of trouble finding people to run them usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #16

You would be surprised then AnalystInParadise Jun 2013 #50

All Manning's case proves maxrandb Jun 2013 #19

is that seemingly low level worker bees can have access to a lot of data usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #26

That's a big if Major Nikon Jun 2013 #79

no it isn't, root is root, and traditionally, sysadmins have root usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #105

I work in a high security environment Major Nikon Jun 2013 #111

if there is only 1 root password for your entire outfit usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #114

I didn't wonder about it at all Major Nikon Jun 2013 #124

I'd say you would be wrong usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #126

He's not credible...without going into details.. HipChick Jun 2013 #7

I agree Major Nikon Jun 2013 #90

That's taken out of context. woo me with science Jun 2013 #8

Sounds like he contradicts himself in short order. randome Jun 2013 #11

No. woo me with science Jun 2013 #12

If that's true... Major Nikon Jun 2013 #95

Do you believe that Snowden himself "had the authorities" to wiretap the President? n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #13

I have no reason not to, woo me with science Jun 2013 #20

Other than the fact that only non-Americans are targeted...sure. randome Jun 2013 #22

Ssh. that's a secret. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #28

Where is the evidence Americans weren't being targeted? morningfog Jun 2013 #38

Can't prove a negative. randome Jun 2013 #48

Clearly, we need more leaks. I mean that in all seriousness. morningfog Jun 2013 #49

Don't be disingenuous. woo me with science Jun 2013 #46

How would you search for calling patterns without looking at all the numbers? randome Jun 2013 #56

You looooooves you some police state; we get it already. woo me with science Jun 2013 #82

The truth is buried in the ellipsis. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #18

+1 woo me with science Jun 2013 #21

Nothing material has changed with the extra words...and I still think he's FOS uponit7771 Jun 2013 #23

Ah, the OP embellished the grammatical error. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #24

This message was self-deleted by its author woo me with science Jun 2013 #32

No the OP cited a bowdlerized quote. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #34

Oh shite maybe we should send him to grammar school prison malaise Jun 2013 #14

You really should self delete because he didn't say that. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #25

Do you believe that HE himself had "the authorities" to wiretap Obama? n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #30

If that is what this post is about, then you should edit the OP and substitute the correct quote. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #31

I did. Thanks for pointing this out. n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #33

I guess, in some quarters. Half-assed is like a glass half full. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #36

I was juror 1 AnalystInParadise Jun 2013 #54

Thanks! Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #75

Were Greenwald and Wapo used by a fruitcake saying "cool computer stuff?" gulliver Jun 2013 #27

This kid is looking like a total goofball BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #88

I consider Mr. Marshall to be very objective even when it concerns his chosen profession. randome Jun 2013 #96

China? Communist? Nominally, maybe. aquart Jun 2013 #118

thank you for the link, BG.. Cha Jun 2013 #137

What is that condition with symptoms of grandiosity flamingdem Jun 2013 #29

Actually he said there is the capability, since it is ALL being recorded, all he needed was an email usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #35

He said he had "the authorities" -- not just the capability. n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #37

Yep, as a system administrator, he had the authority (e.g. capability, access) to read anyones email usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #41

If he had the authorities to gain access to anyone else's personal email Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #42

Basically, all he needs is to email for permission from his boss, and he just does it. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #43

And you don't think the President is protected from random analysts pnwmom Jun 2013 #47

No, he is not protected..... AnalystInParadise Jun 2013 #52

This message was self-deleted by its author Recursion Jun 2013 #57

I'm presuming the President's real communications are on secret, encrypted systems... backscatter712 Jun 2013 #59

Sorry, don't buy it. I administer sendmail clusters Recursion Jun 2013 #60

Why do you assume the President would use an open source email program? pnwmom Jun 2013 #62

I don't AnalystInParadise Jun 2013 #64

actually, he didn't need to email anyone, he just needed the email address of the target usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #58

And he couldn't just, you know, TELL someone about that? Talk to his supervisor, maybe? randome Jun 2013 #39

He did. Nothing was changed. You Should watch the video interview with him... usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #44

I keep trying to but, honestly, it's a 12 minute love fest between Glenn and Snowden. randome Jun 2013 #61

Mischaracterization of the interview, check the 1:00 mark of the video usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #101

Okay, at about 1:37, he says "...when you talk to people about them..." randome Jun 2013 #110

Right, he says that he repeatedly brought these issues up, and he was repeatedly dismissed usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #112

His supervisor already knows that they have the capability to tap Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #45

What makes you think his supervisor knows this? randome Jun 2013 #66

You honestly don't think that the supervisors don't understand the capabilities? Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #72

I don't think HE has the access he claims. randome Jun 2013 #83

Why would he talk to his supervisor about capabilities that are features not bugs? Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #91

If it was as easy as he says, we would be inundated with blackmail schemes! randome Jun 2013 #102

Everyone didn't and he clearly states that. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #104

Ain't a big enough database in the world for that to simply be a query Recursion Jun 2013 #51

well he and manning did have access to classified data, otherwise we would not be talking about them usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #53

We have no idea what access Snowden had, other than a powerpoint describing the system Recursion Jun 2013 #55

If he worked for Booz Allen here AnalystInParadise Jun 2013 #65

So where is everybody else's access to this alleged instant tracking of the President's emails? Recursion Jun 2013 #70

Are we talking about Kunia? AnalystInParadise Jun 2013 #74

Oh, I missed the "here" Recursion Jun 2013 #76

Ok, no worries AnalystInParadise Jun 2013 #80

He had access to some data, but he could be exaggerating about the extent pnwmom Jun 2013 #63

Please read AnalystInParadise Jun 2013 #69

You're not arguing from fact. pnwmom Jun 2013 #121

It's the NSA. They throw 20 billion dollar sums around casually building new supercomputer centers. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #68

It's getting the data to the NSA, and searching it, that's the problem, not storage Recursion Jun 2013 #71

I presume you heard about the NSA's wiretap equipment installed at phone company switching centers. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #77

So they've got buried cables from Ft. Meade to every major datacenter in the country? Recursion Jun 2013 #85

Dedicated encrypted lines aren't especially far-fetched. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #92

second copy at a peering point, you never see it. straightforward. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #78

Not straightforward at all. OK, so you're leeching my router and have copied a packet. Recursion Jun 2013 #86

Here DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #93

BGP doesn't help you Recursion Jun 2013 #97

You said you knew routers. I took you at your word. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #100

"When I've looked it up" Recursion Jun 2013 #107

Myth? I'll wager any amount if money you're ready to lose DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #113

What's the wager? Recursion Jun 2013 #115

I'll set up a lab network where you "own" router A and Router B. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #122

No, I won't take that. It's also not the situation. Recursion Jun 2013 #123

Speaking of complexity, since you're familiar with BGP... Recursion Jun 2013 #125

Encryption is an entirely different matter, and out of scope DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #129

Ah, a common misconception Recursion Jun 2013 #130

Yes, there obviously must be a physical layer DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #131

I'm in agreement with you there Recursion Jun 2013 #132

Just to be very clear Recursion Jun 2013 #120

Do it upstream at the telco. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #94

I am the telco (well, I was) Recursion Jun 2013 #98

Five years ago, but these buildings replicate what is done in Maryland AnalystInParadise Jun 2013 #81

If the "Kid" Bradley Manning could do IT...then ANYONE CAN...That IS THE PROBLEM! KoKo Jun 2013 #67

I don't have dreams of sugar plumbs dancing in my head. I have dreams of....... wandy Jun 2013 #73

He worked for the intellegence community far longer than that. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #84

Ok. And it could have been a particular function.......... wandy Jun 2013 #106

Doubt it. moondust Jun 2013 #99

I don't, sysadmins typically have 'root' access. usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #108

"sysadmins typically have 'root' access." moondust Jun 2013 #117

that's right, the system administrator has root access to the servers under his domain, otherwise usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #119

Then surely you know about SELinux, right? The very system the NSA created... Recursion Jun 2013 #127

He might have had sudo root...and his access could have been limited with that.. HipChick Jun 2013 #138

No, I'm not talking about sudo. I'm talking about role-based accounting Recursion Jun 2013 #139

Understood...all I see so far is this guy had access to a Powerpoint HipChick Jun 2013 #140

Unless you have worked moondust Jun 2013 #128

Fishy Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #103

His 15 minutes will be up when the Chinese authorities cuff him... Historic NY Jun 2013 #109

Your disingenuous smears are rather sickening. Marr Jun 2013 #116

Worked for carlyle group subsidarary and tapped by winger to leak info that was already known uponit7771 Jun 2013 #133

The same applies to yours. /nt Marr Jun 2013 #136

Who cares? Union Scribe Jun 2013 #134

Because people are relying on his descriptions of PRISM that pnwmom Jun 2013 #135

K! Cha Apr 2014 #141