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Don't entertain this garbage. [View all] woo me with science Jun 2013 OP
You know, some folks are that ignorant nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #1
Known terrorists with US phone books starts calling random or not so random numbers ...what happens? L0oniX Jun 2013 #220
Very, very, well said. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #2
Pathetic. You use the word "spy" but fail utterly to define exactly what has happened and what is KittyWampus Jun 2013 #3
many have an agenda JI7 Jun 2013 #4
Why is the Left so prone to ratfucking? KittyWampus Jun 2013 #6
... woo me with science Jun 2013 #9
LOL Skittles Jun 2013 #11
And yet the OP is basically meaningless. It's telling how some love throwing the word "spy" around KittyWampus Jun 2013 #13
your reaction is WAY more telling Skittles Jun 2013 #24
*PLONK* backscatter712 Jun 2013 #43
You're missing the point - GoneOffShore Jun 2013 #249
Very telling response. Hmm. GoneFishin Jun 2013 #173
No one loves claiming "ratfucking" more than DirkGently Jun 2013 #255
So the hell with any chance mercymechap Jun 2013 #34
*PLONK* backscatter712 Jun 2013 #45
Yeah, that's fine with me - mercymechap Jun 2013 #63
IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOUR PHONE CONVERSATIONS ARE BORING!!!!! Skittles Jun 2013 #148
BS Cheviteau Jun 2013 #197
Hmmm... TommyCelt Jun 2013 #208
And what prompts you think that mercymechap Jun 2013 #304
Because they can... TommyCelt Jun 2013 #327
you know that was satire, right? Skittles Jun 2013 #247
Wow, that's mature. Skidmore Jun 2013 #264
... SammyWinstonJack Jun 2013 #49
Until it happense to be used against you Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #59
Boy, I thought the only paranoid people mercymechap Jun 2013 #69
Yes - fixate on the details Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #85
The chances of the FBI/CIA mercymechap Jun 2013 #94
I'm sure you felt the government was just as benevolent Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #110
We didn't agree about the ACA, but we certainly agree about truedelphi Jun 2013 #295
We didn't agree about the ACA but we seem to be in agreement over truedelphi Jun 2013 #298
If Jeb Bush or even Glenn Beck (Horrors) were to mercymechap Jun 2013 #305
You are very naive. Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #308
I'm not naive, I'm just not as mercymechap Jun 2013 #309
I am completely aware of all of that. Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #310
You may think that you are making choices mercymechap Jun 2013 #319
Actually - Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #323
Glad you like the new flavor of the day Kool-Aid because it's obvious snappyturtle Jun 2013 #128
So you think that pre-paid phones can't be traced? mercymechap Jun 2013 #312
Well, if it doesn't affect you then it must be fine. progressoid Jun 2013 #175
Oh, but because your panties are all mercymechap Jun 2013 #306
The point... progressoid Jun 2013 #324
We have had DHS for over ten years... Half-Century Man Jun 2013 #213
Nice one! truedelphi Jun 2013 #300
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #154
That's a chimera. sibelian Jun 2013 #171
correct. delrem Jun 2013 #292
stupid post HiPointDem Jun 2013 #198
Then debate it, mercymechap Jun 2013 #313
debating it would only elevate it to an importance above its stupidity. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #315
Which is your way of mercymechap Jun 2013 #317
I don't have anything to hide... TommyCelt Jun 2013 #210
The question is what do THEY have to hide. sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #302
And that is what they have mercymechap Jun 2013 #314
No...not nearly enough oversight to make sure that's what the "have" to do TommyCelt Jun 2013 #326
They have no right to surveil en masse in the first place. woo me with science Jun 2013 #331
You obviously have forgotten that slippery slopes get slipperier and steeper GoneOffShore Jun 2013 #250
Do you have any solid info Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #72
It is not a non-sequitor Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #99
Our system of justice Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #108
You could try reading the post again. Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #121
... Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #129
Because the impact of collecting one kind of data about who you are associating with Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #134
I can understand why you mercymechap Jun 2013 #321
Really? Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #325
So... TommyCelt Jun 2013 #212
Exactly! mercymechap Jun 2013 #316
You deserve neither liberty nor security. n/t cui bono Jun 2013 #131
Sort of the way the PATRIOT Act has been used against "dangerous terrorists", right? Warren DeMontague Jun 2013 #141
To have it in case a terrorist's phone happens to have access your number. freedom fighter jh Jun 2013 #156
Well, collecting just the numbers of mercymechap Jun 2013 #322
Just because Dorian Gray Jun 2013 #157
You mean the way they caught the Boston Bombers? After the fact? After warnings from other Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #176
And how about this evidence - officials from at least THREE SEPARATE NATIONS truedelphi Jun 2013 #297
Yeah, that's the ticket!! reusrename Jun 2013 #218
See here is the thing Horse with no Name Jun 2013 #258
I feel like crying. sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #301
i don't believe some of them are the left JI7 Jun 2013 #12
Exactly! (nt) Control-Z Jun 2013 #20
Ask your boyfriend whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #19
? one_voice Jun 2013 #185
And why are you, the right so against the Constitution? nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #35
I'm an old fart... ReRe Jun 2013 #145
Google Nixon Charles Colson Ratfucking emulatorloo Jun 2013 #190
Thank you dear... ReRe Jun 2013 #253
Any time, my sweet friend. emulatorloo Jun 2013 #288
;-) ReRe Jun 2013 #290
Yeah. I wanna know why too? n/t FSogol Jun 2013 #158
The left wants to have the rights guaranteed in the Constitution maintained. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #261
Name someone that does not have an agenda n/t Fumesucker Jun 2013 #8
Well, the agenda on Democratic Underground would be to NOT respond to ratfucking like Pavlov's dogs KittyWampus Jun 2013 #16
Sorry, our guys in DC make it pretty easy. napoleon_in_rags Jun 2013 #25
Brilliant summer-hazz Jun 2013 #52
LOL, that's pretty much it. nt laundry_queen Jun 2013 #203
You seem to have this thing that people have been "conditioned" sibelian Jun 2013 #179
Interestingly 2naSalit Jun 2013 #271
Amen and amen to that! mercymechap Jun 2013 #27
The problem with what the NSA has and is doing is not about how much we adore PBO. me b zola Jun 2013 #66
When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; ... cantbeserious Jun 2013 #151
The Constitution knows no political party. n/t Laelth Jun 2013 #165
you have an agenda HiPointDem Jun 2013 #196
If someone is tracking my phone calls, they are spying on me. If the government is doing it sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #15
Is someone tracking your phone calls? mn9driver Jun 2013 #30
Havent you been paying attention? Or are you living in a denial bubble? nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #38
I've been paying quite close attention. Thanks for asking. mn9driver Jun 2013 #62
ARE YOU BEING DELIBERATELY OBTUSE????? CAN YOU READ AT ALL???? WinkyDink Jun 2013 #183
I'm afraid that it's either that (being deliberately obtuse) or NealK Jun 2013 #242
Even the President, who would be in a position to know, nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #221
I can think of several suggestive yet innocent EmeraldCityGrl Jun 2013 #233
Were you somewhere where you couldn't read or hear the news over the past several days? sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #57
Was there news that your calls are being tracked? mn9driver Jun 2013 #65
Yes, there was actually, along with millions of other Americans. My data is my data. Unless sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #81
Your pizza orders are being tracked by the government. mn9driver Jun 2013 #127
I know, stunning isn't it? Surely you remember the agents actually admitting that this what sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #132
+++ marions ghost Jun 2013 #184
Do you actually have a link to that, sabrina!? sheshe2 Jun 2013 #254
Ah. Your pizza orders are being listened to by agents. mn9driver Jun 2013 #205
And what do you think that data is that is being collected? cui bono Jun 2013 #133
mn9driver...hate to break this to you, but... tex-wyo-dem Jun 2013 #283
comfortably numb. delrem Jun 2013 #293
Exactly. Marr Jun 2013 #36
Lol, I know, I noticed how quickly they picked up the rhetoric obviously prepared by sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #107
+1 Matariki Jun 2013 #299
... SammyWinstonJack Jun 2013 #53
"every government has the right to ... 'intelligence'." - sabrina 1 joshcryer Jun 2013 #84
Every country does have the right to 'intelligence'. What exactly is your point? As you can see, sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #98
That comment stands for itself. I am glad I was proven correct. joshcryer Jun 2013 #232
Of course it does, I already said that. Your 'gotcha' moments, while flattering to me that my words sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #234
good response. delrem Jun 2013 #294
The issue is with Congress. Skidmore Jun 2013 #160
Has the Administration asked for the law to be changed? LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #192
No one gets a pass. The President who told us this week that he 'kept Bush's policies' sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #199
Exactly. Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #46
Exactly summer-hazz Jun 2013 #71
You forgot the sarcasm tag. n/t cui bono Jun 2013 #135
And in each of those instances, dgibby Jun 2013 #265
The gov't is storing Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #266
So fucking this: dgibby Jun 2013 #272
And what has this incident to do with Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #275
OMG! dgibby Jun 2013 #278
I see. Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #279
I don't think you see what you think you see, dgibby Jun 2013 #281
What I see Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #282
They are maintaining databases with all of our communications and searches in them. Th1onein Jun 2013 #56
+1 woo me with science Jun 2013 #201
I would HOPE every American and member here would object to any government... Demo_Chris Jun 2013 #93
+100000000000 woo me with science Jun 2013 #96
Exactly. nt Demo_Chris Jun 2013 #100
Funny, my "bias" wasn't "preconceived" . . . caseymoz Jun 2013 #191
your post is pathetic & you have an agenda HiPointDem Jun 2013 #195
you're a conservative. nobody here gives a shit what you think. frylock Jun 2013 #215
Did you see this post from Reddit the other day? GoneOffShore Jun 2013 #248
! bvar22 Jun 2013 #5
I am shocked at what some DUers are posting LittleBlue Jun 2013 #7
Funny, I am NOT shocked at how many DU'ers are howling at the ringing of a ratfucking Pavlovian bell KittyWampus Jun 2013 #14
So civil rights are a Pavlovian bell? nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #17
And our Commander in Chief continually refers to them as truedelphi Jun 2013 #296
When Bush was caught spying on the American people using the telecoms to do it, did you sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #18
Why ProSense Jun 2013 #33
Why on earth then, would Congress CHANGE the law to make his unlawful behavior legal? sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #42
That is not what the law did. n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #74
This message was self-deleted by its author joshcryer Jun 2013 #87
Obama voted against telecom immunity. joshcryer Jun 2013 #90
Some welcome the comfort of the security that fascism will bring. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #40
And some welcome hyperbole and propaganda. ProSense Jun 2013 #48
Even if that were true, it's a hell of a lot better than being an apologist cui bono Jun 2013 #137
And some scream louder still that all is well. sibelian Jun 2013 #172
And some live in eternal hope that fascism will rise Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #51
There is a cowardly aspect to it all. n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #73
Not just cowardly Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #79
There is a cowardly aspect to being willing to give up rights for a little security. There is a sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #104
Thanks for the straw man. n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #130
The Constitution is a strawman? Really? For me it is the most important sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #136
Continue having that discussion with yourself. n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #138
Okay, since you asked. I notice you have nothing at all to say about the sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #142
So no denial that you view supporting the Constitution as a Straw Man argument? LiberalLovinLug Jun 2013 #245
Don't look now but fascism is already here Le Taz Hot Jun 2013 #103
Oh, yes Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #113
When all the citizens' communications data is stored then we have a police state. cui bono Jun 2013 #139
That's what is frightening Dorian Gray Jun 2013 #159
Spin, plain and simple. "Pavlovian Bell!!!" ? sibelian Jun 2013 #170
you have posted variations of ratfuck upwards of 75 times over the Doctor_J Jun 2013 #267
But but It's prez O. Different 840high Jun 2013 #238
This is ProSense Jun 2013 #10
So were they targeting actual suspects or everyone who has a Verizon account? sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #21
The whistle blowers, and apparently a FISA Court found that they were unconstitutional usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #28
Here's a thought - Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #44
Sometimes a person with no supportable "side" will try to draw you into an argument. pa28 Jun 2013 #22
However, as Obama knows, there is no debate. That's just rhetoric in a speech. delrem Jun 2013 #23
party uber alles markiv Jun 2013 #26
Who can define in details what "unreasonable searches" really means? Amonester Jun 2013 #29
for example, logging every single call of every single verizon user? markiv Jun 2013 #32
and if they 'suspect' two or more violent extremist could be verizon users, but... Amonester Jun 2013 #41
'those who would trade liberty for security deserve neither' markiv Jun 2013 #47
telegraphs were not even invented when they wrote it Amonester Jun 2013 #60
'neither were violent religious extremists' markiv Jun 2013 #64
nor machine guns when they wrote the 2nd amendment burnodo Jun 2013 #149
so what? HiPointDem Jun 2013 #200
Laws should autoupdate! bobduca Jun 2013 #204
Guy Fawkes Fumesucker Jun 2013 #207
If they suspect two or more violent extremists are using a telephone, which they surely are I sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #55
Because that's not how probable cause works. JoeyT Jun 2013 #61
But they're not investigating everyone. Amonester Jun 2013 #77
When they have a warrant to retrieve your data from a private company, JoeyT Jun 2013 #91
They're looking through the 'global' haystack. Amonester Jun 2013 #95
Do not forget that the FBI were well aware of the Tsarnaevs and had been for years. Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #75
Nobody's perfect. Amonester Jun 2013 #78
What you are obviously ignoring is that all the king's illegal surveillance bullshit Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #83
They've gone 'global' now... Amonester Jun 2013 #88
Actually the case of those two guys could also be used to argue the opposite ... brett_jv Jun 2013 #239
Not sure that 'spying' is the right word ... nor is 'spying' mentioned in the Constitution, so ... brett_jv Jun 2013 #240
If you're not already marions ghost Jun 2013 #330
Then we have the Tsarnaev brothers nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #222
At the very least, it seems the person being searched has to be suspected of a crime. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #86
It's actually quite simple Abq_Sarah Jun 2013 #123
They are constitutionally only allowed a warrant if they can show probable cause. cui bono Jun 2013 #146
Hope and Change....It's..ITS A COOKBOOK!!!! markiv Jun 2013 #31
Absolutely. MuseRider Jun 2013 #37
K&R! I invite all DUers of true American blood, who love the Constitution, to use the *PLONK*. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #39
Rec AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #58
Rec this post BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #82
I've never once used the ignore feature, but whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #124
Amen! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ReRe Jun 2013 #140
I ignore them the old fashioned way, but then I'm just a ratfucker. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #143
I can't make you do anything hootinholler Jun 2013 #162
Try it peeps - it really cleans up the DU experience! Fix The Stupid Jun 2013 #166
I almost wish you WOULD post your ignore list. sibelian Jun 2013 #180
Look for the pictures of Klingons... backscatter712 Jun 2013 #182
The only people I put on ignore are assholes and shills. morningfog Jun 2013 #209
I have resisted doing this ctsnowman Jun 2013 #226
I'd like to see it Horse with no Name Jun 2013 #259
Kick and Rec! Fuddnik Jun 2013 #50
My suggestion is that those people not be responded to. Autumn Jun 2013 #54
+1! That's what the *PLONK* is for! backscatter712 Jun 2013 #70
There is really no Autumn Jun 2013 #169
I've just put 10 on Ignore... It was too huge KoKo Jun 2013 #241
Massive K&R! Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #67
You're living in the past. pnwmom Jun 2013 #68
Here: Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #76
If it has changed then you cowardly fucks need to put you big folks drawers on TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #117
* pnwmom Jun 2013 #144
One really could lift posts wholesale from woo me with science Jun 2013 #217
That LOOKS like a counter-argument... sibelian Jun 2013 #181
+1 woo me with science Jun 2013 #256
So because you "don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud" and Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #236
I wonder if these debates were reminiscent of arthritisR_US Jun 2013 #80
No, because the KGB is the successor to the NKVD nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #223
I was thinking of Germany once Hitler got into arthritisR_US Jun 2013 #224
Joseph McCarthy would strongly disagree with you. Kablooie Jun 2013 #89
Which ProSense Jun 2013 #92
Excellent! Le Taz Hot Jun 2013 #97
Not garbage, flat-out propoganda! southerncrone Jun 2013 #101
It isn't just the Fourth Amendment. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #102
Excellent, important point. See this OP: woo me with science Jun 2013 #105
Thanks. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #112
Smith v. Maryland, 442 U.S. 735 (1979) - No warrant required for call metadata ProSense Jun 2013 #106
Read this Atlantic article. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #111
Actually, ProSense Jun 2013 #114
It's up to the Obama adminstration. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #116
Strange ProSense Jun 2013 #118
There is a lot to be afraid of. How could the government JDPriestly Jun 2013 #119
See this ProSense Jun 2013 #122
Did you read the court order? JDPriestly Jun 2013 #125
The notion of being an apologist for Obama just because he is a D cui bono Jun 2013 #147
Well said DissidentVoice Jun 2013 #246
He isn't a communist. He is functioning as a totalitarian. Learn the difference. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #188
Let me guess, it's the 2nd amendment too? ucrdem Jun 2013 #186
anyone who trusts private contractors G_j Jun 2013 #109
so true. nashville_brook Jun 2013 #270
If the government could spy on all of us, we'd not only have 0 unemployment, we'd need more spies. SleeplessinSoCal Jun 2013 #115
It's finally happened. You have finally succumbed to your paranoia Number23 Jun 2013 #120
We should be discussing whatever we want to discuss /nt still_one Jun 2013 #126
All I can say is they must be too young.... ReRe Jun 2013 #150
I see; greiner3 Jun 2013 #152
k/r marmar Jun 2013 #153
K & R! mia Jun 2013 #155
I don't like the data collection. savebigbird Jun 2013 #161
Then you'd better give up all those cell phone devices... Historic NY Jun 2013 #167
LOL, companies having vs. the NSA having it! Classic! n-t Logical Jun 2013 #168
Trust me-I would if I could. savebigbird Jun 2013 #252
Good idea Woo. 99Forever Jun 2013 #163
k&r for the Constitution. n/t Laelth Jun 2013 #164
OH for Fucks sake........... BrainDrain Jun 2013 #174
Thanks for putting it into perspective. kentuck Jun 2013 #177
Most Excellent Points !!! - K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #178
You mean this garbage? ucrdem Jun 2013 #187
It's amazing how willing people are to be co-opted into a bad idea. DirkGently Jun 2013 #189
that sums it up nicely -- the usual suspects want compliance/support stupidicus Jun 2013 #193
kr HiPointDem Jun 2013 #194
Can the naivety. toby jo Jun 2013 #202
Yes. Turn it into a debate agent46 Jun 2013 #206
. libodem Jun 2013 #211
kick Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #214
The Bill of Rights was written before Angelonthesidelines Jun 2013 #216
Known terrorist with US phone book starts calling random or not so random numbers ...what happens? L0oniX Jun 2013 #219
If he was known, the feds can go get a fucking warrant, solely to watch what he was doing. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #225
From an over seas disposable phone? L0oniX Jun 2013 #228
Again. They can go get a warrant. It's not that hard. n/t backscatter712 Jun 2013 #229
Doesn't require a warrant. nt msanthrope Jun 2013 #263
Actually they do need a dragnet if they want to observe what said terrorist Schema Thing Jun 2013 #285
K & R ctsnowman Jun 2013 #227
Yup MissDeeds Jun 2013 #230
Willful ignorance of actual US jurisprudence is not something I'd recommend. n/t cheapdate Jun 2013 #231
Yep TakeALeftTurn Jun 2013 #235
k/rx100 840high Jun 2013 #237
KICK temmer Jun 2013 #243
Yeah, I had a long time DUer respond, "It's legal, so what's your point?" AndyA Jun 2013 #244
"unreasonable" can mean whatever the fuck the people, congress, courts, or executive interpret it yodermon Jun 2013 #251
We're all Germans now. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #257
The whole purpose nineteen50 Jun 2013 #260
K&R Some would gladly trade the 4th amendment for a smooth talking president of forestpath Jun 2013 #262
The other brilliant ploy was having a republican enact it and then a Doctor_J Jun 2013 #268
+10000 woo me with science Jun 2013 #287
Exactly! b.durruti Jun 2013 #269
EXCELLENT sigline!!!!!! woo me with science Jun 2013 #276
damn i am glad i am not the only one who is totaly creeped out by these fucking partisan apologists. boilerbabe Jun 2013 #273
K&R'd! snot Jun 2013 #274
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2013 #277
Amen to that jsr Jun 2013 #280
Damn, I wish I could rec this again! TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #284
I rec'd it for you n/t Aerows Jun 2013 #286
I took my rec away so I could rec it again. Your OP can't be rec'd enough. n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #289
rec #340. limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #291
K&R KoKo Jun 2013 #303
The Supreme Court ruled in 1979 that phone records are not protected by the 4th amendment Tx4obama Jun 2013 #307
No. woo me with science Jun 2013 #311
From your Wiki link... Tx4obama Jun 2013 #318
And you deliberately ignore the substance of the post, woo me with science Jun 2013 #320
A timely KICK! n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #328
Thanks for kicking it. woo me with science Jun 2013 #329
A timely KICK! Don't entertain the garbage! n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #332
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