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In reply to the discussion: I haven't been paying attention, and now I'm really really pizzed at Obama! [View all]struggle4progress
(127,343 posts)36. Dooley's dictum, sadly, remains true:
No matther whether th'constitution follows th'flag or not, th'supreme coort follows th'iliction returns
I don't like the FISA courts; I don't agree with warrantless telephone records collection; and I regard the idea that no warrant is needed, to obtain emails over 180 days old, as simply ridiculous
But the current SCOTUS is unlikely to chop any of these practices off at the knees -- and SCOTUS in practice determines what the Constitution means
The wonderful Warren Court is now only a distant memory: it was followed by the rather more conservative Burger court, then the dreadful Rehnquist court (which appointed Bush II to the Oval Office), and today's Roberts court -- consequences of the elections of Nixon, Reagan, and Bush II
So the only real current option is to modify these laws by Congressional action
I don't like the FISA courts; I don't agree with warrantless telephone records collection; and I regard the idea that no warrant is needed, to obtain emails over 180 days old, as simply ridiculous
But the current SCOTUS is unlikely to chop any of these practices off at the knees -- and SCOTUS in practice determines what the Constitution means
The wonderful Warren Court is now only a distant memory: it was followed by the rather more conservative Burger court, then the dreadful Rehnquist court (which appointed Bush II to the Oval Office), and today's Roberts court -- consequences of the elections of Nixon, Reagan, and Bush II
So the only real current option is to modify these laws by Congressional action
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I haven't been paying attention, and now I'm really really pizzed at Obama! [View all]
struggle4progress
Jun 2013
OP
Echelon has been recording this stuff for half a century. Why haven't they come to get me yet?
freshwest
Jun 2013
#23
Spitzer's fall was predictable: after he had taken on some banks, he used an account at one of them
struggle4progress
Jun 2013
#37
WRONG WRONG WRONG!!! Patriot Act authorized bake sales not data collection /sarcasm < this is needed
uponit7771
Jun 2013
#18
Whether or not Obama started it, he's now President, he now needs to end this. n/t
backscatter712
Jun 2013
#40