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Laelth

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9. Too late now. The cat's out of the bag.

Mon Jun 10, 2013, 08:58 AM

Jun 2013

No use crying over spilt milk. (It's funny how many cliches we have for this sentiment).

Not for you to worry about? Strange, you seem to be quite worried about this mess given your numerous posts on the subject.

-Laelth

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Why the Snowden Leak Is Such a Big Deal [View all] Laelth Jun 2013 OP

The government also has the capability of setting fire to your house. randome Jun 2013 #1

Wow. Just wow. Laelth Jun 2013 #2

They may respond with terrorist attacks, which is why there was probably a better way to achieve JaneyVee Jun 2013 #3

Too late now. The cat is out of the bag. n/t Laelth Jun 2013 #5

Yeah, meanwhile he flees to China and I'm living in the #1 terrorist target on planet Earth. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #12

You may be right to be concerned. Laelth Jun 2013 #60

"#1 terrorist target on planet Earth." Are you posting from Baghdad? Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #83

Blinded by American Exceptionalism, bvar22 Jun 2013 #100

CORRECT!!! Skittles Jun 2013 #112

exactly-- America is VERY safe overall. Don't give into the fear! NoMoreWarNow Jun 2013 #120

When all your actions are war like nineteen50 Jun 2013 #42

I admit to a good deal of shame ... Laelth Jun 2013 #89

That's for diplomats to worry about. Not me. randome Jun 2013 #6

Too late now. The cat's out of the bag. Laelth Jun 2013 #9

It's an interesting news item. randome Jun 2013 #10

That it is. n/t Laelth Jun 2013 #59

I reported on the Austrian reaction from Der Standard, JDPriestly Jun 2013 #95

Thanks for that. I will take a look. n/t Laelth Jun 2013 #97

given your dim view of our rights -- why do want to live here? nashville_brook Jun 2013 #15

'Rights' mean different things to different people. randome Jun 2013 #23

Ignorance is bliss and nineteen50 Jun 2013 #44

If you are a Verizon customer, you KNOW you are being spied on. morningfog Jun 2013 #57

What constitutes 'spying'? Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #115

Of course not. The difference is consent and purpose. morningfog Jun 2013 #116

Well, our own "secret court" already ruled PRISM broke the law. DirkGently Jun 2013 #26

The case is still winding its way through the system. randome Jun 2013 #27

No. The ruling PRISM was illegal is done. What's "winding it's way through DirkGently Jun 2013 #28

I don't quite follow the article you linked to. randome Jun 2013 #38

In 2011, PRISM was found to be violating the Constitution. DirkGently Jun 2013 #48

Snowden may have forced their hand on being more forthcoming. randome Jun 2013 #49

You are getting sloppy. Understandably, these are hard to blindly defend morningfog Jun 2013 #56

If you are looking for calling patterns, how would you pull only the numbers you want... randome Jun 2013 #65

You start with a suspect or person of interest that you can morningfog Jun 2013 #73

It's not likely they can set fire to it with out your knowing about it. Besides, it would'nt be them corkhead Jun 2013 #64

But they could do that at any time. The only thing that prevents them are laws. randome Jun 2013 #66

Americans should have no worry assuming all involved, including contractors, are assiduously honest, indepat Jun 2013 #92

Like it or not, we would not be able to function without trusting the bureaucracy a little. randome Jun 2013 #94

Trust has to be earned. So far our NSA has not proven its JDPriestly Jun 2013 #96

I would not have a problem with anything you suggested. randome Jun 2013 #109

The government also has the capability of collecting all the data you've ever produced... dkf Jun 2013 #103

The UK has been using Prism for years HipChick Jun 2013 #4

Indeed. As I said in the OP, we probably told our allies. Laelth Jun 2013 #7

The level of surveillance in Europe would horrify most Americans Recursion Jun 2013 #67

You're right, of course. Laelth Jun 2013 #69

If this gets other countries to move to a more decentralized Internet, great Recursion Jun 2013 #70

The UK govt is saying that it's not circumventing UK law by using PRISM muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #93

Excellent post. Thanks. Laelth Jun 2013 #98

So...that makes it better? burnodo Jun 2013 #118

I took an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States. Laelth Jun 2013 #121

Hi burnodo Jun 2013 #122

Whoops. Sorry, but thanks for the kick. n/t Laelth Jun 2013 #123

Like all my foreign relatives are using a jail telephone to talk to me Generic Other Jun 2013 #8

Good analogy. n/t Laelth Jun 2013 #110

It's also important because he makes it *real* - now people are interested and will follow the story reformist2 Jun 2013 #11

It's an important discussion for us to have. Laelth Jun 2013 #30

It's not too late to cut way back on internet/phone use. I think it's the only solution, actually. reformist2 Jun 2013 #41

I suppose. Laelth Jun 2013 #50

Someone leaked this information to Greenwald. We all should be concerned about that. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #13

No one seems concerned that a person who lives in a foreign country now holds classified info. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #14

Exactly!! That's what is so disconcerning. We're not paying attention to the real story here. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #72

i think Obama would agree that the Constitution is bigger than he is. nashville_brook Jun 2013 #17

He agrees and so do I. Unlike others who somehow think that the president's intentions are evil Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #76

+1 Well said. n/t Laelth Jun 2013 #90

I have no desire to "beat up" on the President. Laelth Jun 2013 #18

Yep. You've been around long enough to know that it's ALWAYS about the president... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #75

The right wants to make it about Obama, no doubt. Laelth Jun 2013 #77

I work for the federal government, so believe me, I'm very concerned about security. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #82

You are quite mistaken. Coyotl Jun 2013 #16

Frankly, I hope you are right. That's better than the alternative. Laelth Jun 2013 #19

The next thing you know there will be x-ray machines and pat downs at airports Major Nikon Jun 2013 #21

I don't always blame Obama Coyotl Jun 2013 #22

For most of us, this isn't about Obama. Laelth Jun 2013 #25

Read the OPs that attack Obama endlessly here on DU. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #31

There are some of those, yes. Laelth Jun 2013 #34

He is the president nineteen50 Jun 2013 #51

Actually, the nudie scanners were Obama's doing. Laelth Jun 2013 #24

I went through airport security with a ankle boot almost 2 years ago davidpdx Jun 2013 #32

Well perhaps OBAMA should not have been so frigging stupid... TheMadMonk Jun 2013 #46

I still think he can make lemonade from this lemon. Laelth Jun 2013 #52

Congress did that, not Obama, when they passed retroactive immunity. Coyotl Jun 2013 #74

It wasn't right then nineteen50 Jun 2013 #47

Agree with most of this Glenn Beck morphed into Greenwald flamingdem Jun 2013 #68

Yea if it's Bush's programs kwolf68 Jun 2013 #104

Let's see, to change the laws signed by Bush, Obama only needs the cooperation of Republicans Coyotl Jun 2013 #108

du rec. xchrom Jun 2013 #20

Thanks. n/t Laelth Jun 2013 #87

Another blow to the world's opinion of us CanonRay Jun 2013 #29

It is an excellent point about our arrogance on the world stage BlueStreak Jun 2013 #33

I suspect Secretary Kerry is very, very busy at the moment. Laelth Jun 2013 #35

You mean Kerry, right? But it is an interesting question about Clinton as well BlueStreak Jun 2013 #39

Sorry. Yes, of course. Let me correct that, if I can. Laelth Jun 2013 #43

I wonder whether her resignation had anything to do with this. Laelth Jun 2013 #45

I doubt it. That would suppose that she is against it, and that is doubtful. BlueStreak Jun 2013 #78

Spot on. I do not disagree with a word you wrote. Laelth Jun 2013 #80

Democracy or Fascism Octafish Jun 2013 #36

A much better choice, I think most of us would agree. Laelth Jun 2013 #99

The PTB are getting hot under the collar as we reach the Tipping Point or whatever it is. Octafish Jun 2013 #105

Correction FairWinds Jun 2013 #37

On this topic (actual spying capability) I remain cautious. Laelth Jun 2013 #119

I guess Bradley will soon have some company... AAO Jun 2013 #40

The stuggle 4 secrecy has already begun the character assassination of Snowden. morningfog Jun 2013 #58

The word "Echelon" ring a bell? This type of activity has been around for years. TxVietVet Jun 2013 #53

Perhaps so. Laelth Jun 2013 #54

Well said sikofit3 Jun 2013 #55

Thanks. n/t Laelth Jun 2013 #84

The big deal is that the Chinese are better at espionage. sofa king Jun 2013 #61

Very interesting perspective. Laelth Jun 2013 #71

What if we're spending the money.... sofa king Jun 2013 #79

That's always a possibility. Laelth Jun 2013 #81

The new cover of Time seems prescient. Laelth Jun 2013 #88

I think the Chinese would let him expend the more general weaker intel. roamer65 Jun 2013 #102

Unfortunately, some narcissistic troublemakers in Philadeplphia leaked the 4th Amendment. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #62

Hehe. Well said. n/t Laelth Jun 2013 #63

LOL woo me with science Jun 2013 #85

Be sure to read Daniel Ellsberg's editorial on the Snowden leak. Laelth Jun 2013 #86

if we weren't so rich and powerful, we'd be shunned. Sheri Jun 2013 #91

You may be right about that. Laelth Jun 2013 #117

Well here's to Aerows Jun 2013 #101

Thanks, I guess? Laelth Jun 2013 #106

You're welcome n/t Aerows Jun 2013 #107

Thank you for thinking about that litlle "rest of the world" BelgianMadCow Jun 2013 #111

I would not blame you one bit. n/t Laelth Jun 2013 #113

... echoes of George Orwell LVZ Jun 2013 #114