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6. Noam Chomsky explained it well

Reply to unreadierLizard (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2013, 11:18 AM

Jun 2013

“The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum....”
― Noam Chomsky, The Common Good

what he means by this, is a well disguised dictatorship

domestic spying, anti worker trade deals and guest worker programs, endless wars etc, joe six pack has no say - at all

things like gay marriage and other social issues, lively debate allowed, because those in power dont care about it. doesnt mean it's not important, it just means that the power cabel does not care about it's outcome, so it 'allows' the little people to debate it

it also divides those who might unite and oppose the dictated agenda

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So, it's okay if Obama spies on the American people [View all] unreadierLizard Jun 2013 OP

A few points Recursion Jun 2013 #1

You are ruining perfectly good outrage by inserting meaningful details. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #3

Direct Access Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2013 #11

They made what Bush did legal, but it is still unconstitutional as is the amendment they added to sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #15

The courts decide what is constitutional bhikkhu Jun 2013 #21

The courts have been wrong before on what is Constitutional. Why would any Democrat sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #25

sorry, it is legal. They could REINTERPRET IT, but only if ALL vote straight democratic to get a new graham4anything Jun 2013 #27

Who cares about silly *constitutional* details? Obama BAD BAD BAD!!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #42

Oh I agree that the courts have made errors in rulings cstanleytech Jun 2013 #45

That is what Gonzalez said, but it is a half truth. merrily Jun 2013 #55

Usually wrongly. Deep13 Jun 2013 #77

The constitution says that the courts have the final say on what is constitutional bhikkhu Jun 2013 #81

Tell me where in the Constitution it says that. Deep13 Jun 2013 #83

Article III bhikkhu Jun 2013 #85

Art. III says no such thing. Deep13 Jun 2013 #89

Thanks for this!! Just my opinion, but I don't think Obama is the liar here. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #41

The FISA court rubber stamps, which is another problem. merrily Jun 2013 #52

Is FISA an article III court? Deep13 Jun 2013 #84

And appointments to FISA court (Kollar-Kotelly) have been very political too... cascadiance Jun 2013 #87

You should delete this silly OP and catch up to today's faux outrage. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #2

Fo rillah alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #8

It was like stepping into a time machine. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #20

lol graham4anything Jun 2013 #28

Calling people insane should go over well. Good luck. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #4

Most DUers -- going from memory, not Science� -- don't approve. Octafish Jun 2013 #5

Who gets to decide insanity or what's "certifiable"? You? Certainly not. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #43

You can check me by what I write, 11 years on DU. Octafish Jun 2013 #60

So, I see. Because you've written stuff for 11 years, that gives you the authority to judge others Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #65

I haven't judged anybody. I said you could tell apologists by what they write. Octafish Jun 2013 #71

Ah, but you did my friend. The word "certifiable" says it all. And then you cut and paste Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #72

You have committed the crime of not keeping a detailed record of every asinine post or thought Number23 Jun 2013 #75

Shame on me!! I should know better that DUers know what's best for everyone and I dare not Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #79

I don't care how many damn journals.. anyone has.. they could be writing Cha Jun 2013 #86

Noam Chomsky explained it well markiv Jun 2013 #6

+100 truebluegreen Jun 2013 #35

^^ this, for the win ^^ Myrina Jun 2013 #36

+1 Poll_Blind Jun 2013 #47

Great comment. ocpagu Jun 2013 #50

+1, except that, IMO, the spectrum of debate that the administrators permit is merrily Jun 2013 #56

I'm in complete agreement with that. LuvNewcastle Jun 2013 #69

We ignore Chomsky at our peril. nt b.durruti Jun 2013 #80

Sooooooo meta. Threads on DU about DU are super awesome, yo! alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #7

word to my home-quisling bobduca Jun 2013 #10

***Cringe*** alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #12

yo, im just keepin it real for tha unda-ground, knowhutimsayin? bobduca Jun 2013 #17

I'm not offended as a fascist Quisling authoritarian alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #29

I don't approve. And, for a warrant to be issued, probable cause needs to be established and byeya Jun 2013 #9

Well we could always go back to the pre-FISA era, I dont advise it but if you want it then cstanleytech Jun 2013 #46

Only he's not. Itchinjim Jun 2013 #13

Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs! randome Jun 2013 #14

Learn about the FISA treestar Jun 2013 #16

What did Obama cut out? We know what Bush did and we know he got away with it, sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #31

It's DoublePlusGood, in fact, not just OK. kenny blankenship Jun 2013 #18

Are you and others really that dense or do you not honestly recall that cstanleytech Jun 2013 #48

Sweetheart, I was calling Bushler a criminal over this and other abuses before you ever got here. kenny blankenship Jun 2013 #51

"I was calling Bushler a criminal over this and other abuses before you ever got here." cstanleytech Jun 2013 #63

YOU KNOW IT, KENNY Skittles Jun 2013 #73

Shouldn't we all be trying to learn the facts? JNelson6563 Jun 2013 #19

This is a great comment. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #39

Yes, but first you'll have to fight the administration to get them. kenny blankenship Jun 2013 #53

What's more covert than top secret? merrily Jun 2013 #58

... Poll_Blind Jun 2013 #22

Did You See The Study Released About Who Lies The Most otohara Jun 2013 #64

Ignoring facts is a Republican trait. Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #23

Obama should be the least of your worries. You'd better monitor if your job, mfcorey1 Jun 2013 #24

I basically agree but ... jimlup Jun 2013 #26

Thank you for your reasoned response. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #44

All they have to do is look around and see who their "friends" are on this issue. Peregrine Took Jun 2013 #30

And Ari Fleischer. I'm sure we'll hear from more of the neocons who created the mess we are in sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #33

That little comment might bite them in the ass if LuvNewcastle Jun 2013 #70

Obama spies.... MineralMan Jun 2013 #32

My guide is always the Constitution and the oath taken by our elected officials. When you stick sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #34

Indeed. I've taken oaths that mentioned the Constitution more than once. MineralMan Jun 2013 #38

warrantless vs warrants Sheepshank Jun 2013 #37

No! It is not o.k., but there's no evidence of spying on American citizens. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #40

Secret wholesale data collection, secret meetings, secret warrants, secret courts, secret judges RC Jun 2013 #66

Yes We Can...Spy on You NoOneMan Jun 2013 #49

americans have been spied upon.... chillfactor Jun 2013 #54

The president is not spying on you madokie Jun 2013 #57

Excellent Post - even if the Obama Apologist hate it FreakinDJ Jun 2013 #59

It's not the ProSense Jun 2013 #61

This is the beginning polynomial Jun 2013 #62

Are you kidding me? david13 Jun 2013 #67

good video from TYT AsahinaKimi Jun 2013 #68

Bush was doing warrantless wiretapping. Obama isn't. pnwmom Jun 2013 #74

No, both suck. nt Deep13 Jun 2013 #76

exactly. batshit. nt boilerbabe Jun 2013 #78

Bush started the spying before the Patriot Act was passed and argued FISA slowed them too Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #82

tssk. ForeignandDomestic Jun 2013 #88