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caseymoz

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35. There are pockets in Hong Kong where they may never find him.

Reply to PDittie (Reply #11)

Mon Jun 10, 2013, 12:45 PM

Jun 2013

That was a good choice of exiles.

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Something to think about for those tearing up Snowden [View all] Marrah_G Jun 2013 OP

I wish they would just come out and say the only thing they are against is morningfog Jun 2013 #1

I do not understand the blind following of this terribly flawed man. Peregrine Took Jun 2013 #2

Can't bear the thought of not having a hero anymore ... Myrina Jun 2013 #6

The BOrG seems to be a small but vocal group BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #14

Here's some insight. OnyxCollie Jun 2013 #25

Thank you for this very interesting info BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #43

Fascinating. So what about people who love and try to JDPriestly Jun 2013 #64

Vegetarians who eat chicken. OnyxCollie Jun 2013 #80

This is why I seldom have fruitful political discussions. chervilant Jun 2013 #106

Well, I consider myself pretty politically aware Art_from_Ark Jun 2013 #112

Bernays was Freud's nephew, chervilant Jun 2013 #114

Very interesting...thanks n/t zeemike Jun 2013 #68

Oh, snap! Melinda Jun 2013 #40

Nope kenfrequed Jun 2013 #63

My guess - they're paid to say these things. reformist2 Jun 2013 #69

For the most part, I don't think they're paid at all BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #78

This ^ bvar22 Jun 2013 #77

Agree 100% BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #83

I hope they're a small group, because I've been depressed at the level of DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #105

I'm sure the long-timers know who they are BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #109

They can't bear to have their illusions shattered, but, hell, life is a series of valerief Jun 2013 #39

I don't think it's President Obama, per se, Seeking Serenity Jun 2013 #7

It seems to be more the government than party.... TxGrandpa Jun 2013 #23

I disagree pscot Jun 2013 #41

Yes, I see this often BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #52

I'm not convivced Obama is merely cynical pscot Jun 2013 #104

And, to be fair, this extremist paranoia in the NSA goes JDPriestly Jun 2013 #67

the imperial presidency didn't end datasuspect Jun 2013 #18

And to be fair nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #24

" It started in 1948, and when Clinton implemented Carnivore" ? bahrbearian Jun 2013 #27

1948, National Security Act nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #29

Obama is very intelligent and would find such behaviour utterly appalling Skittles Jun 2013 #92

+10 RC Jun 2013 #4

Nope kenfrequed Jun 2013 #60

When I first read the story I thought I had deja vu because I thought this had snagglepuss Jun 2013 #93

Hmm... kenfrequed Jun 2013 #118

I think that message comes through pretty clearly anyway. Marr Jun 2013 #66

I'm against liars (like Greenwald), jumping blindly on scandals and uninformed spouting of outrage. KittyWampus Jun 2013 #97

Just like the OP, creating a simplistic black-and-white, either-or scenario in substitution for a Coyotl Jun 2013 #103

hmm... chervilant Jun 2013 #107

"The Administration is not questioning his background or even saying what he leaked was untrue." arely staircase Jun 2013 #3

And hiding in the clutches of the Chinese? nt caseymoz Jun 2013 #31

precisely arely staircase Jun 2013 #37

It is possible, but the topic here is the extent to which JDPriestly Jun 2013 #71

It's what Sun Tzu called the "dead spy" in the Art of War. Chan790 Jun 2013 #74

Yes, I know-- he's a supreme loser of a highschool dropout and/or the ultimate superspy. Marr Jun 2013 #70

Actually several government people have said he's wrong Recursion Jun 2013 #5

That's 3 atreides1 Jun 2013 #8

It's Monday morning Recursion Jun 2013 #9

I'm sure they're completely unbiased... n/t backscatter712 Jun 2013 #50

Well, then it has to be true. No axe to grind there. GoneFishin Jun 2013 #54

No, but GP claimed the government wasn't contesting the accuracy of what he said Recursion Jun 2013 #55

Oh, I follow what you are saying. GoneFishin Jun 2013 #57

He took an oath, he violated this oath by providing a foreign news agency with information he had Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #10

the oath most important here is the one the president took..to defend the constitution xiamiam Jun 2013 #13

Is the Patriot Act a signed law by GWB and extended under BHO? Is the president to pick and choose Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #17

the oath of office is to uphold the constitution..and that means all amendments xiamiam Jun 2013 #48

This guy is not a whistle blower, he has revealed information, not a wrong doing. Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #84

Good for him and good for us. Our president took an oath to protect the constitution bowens43 Jun 2013 #22

Our president took an oath warrant46 Jun 2013 #42

The highest law in the land is the Constitution. caseymoz Jun 2013 #34

You're being too kind when you say "a government ordering him to violate that". cui bono Jun 2013 #85

You're thinking of the wrong "him." caseymoz Jun 2013 #115

The Constitution is the supreme law of the land. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #73

"Snowden Blizzard of Smears" coming PDittie Jun 2013 #11

There are pockets in Hong Kong where they may never find him. caseymoz Jun 2013 #35

The Administration, as usual, is waiting for more, and accurate MineralMan Jun 2013 #12

But, as I pointed out in another post, Snowden is probably JDPriestly Jun 2013 #75

The guy is very smart marions ghost Jun 2013 #110

The smear machine is alive and well on DU Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #15

Some of them them don't need to. DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #20

+1! n/t backscatter712 Jun 2013 #47

you got that right..nt xiamiam Jun 2013 #51

This latest episode has made it easy to tell who is what. bvar22 Jun 2013 #90

yep, as already noted, it's irrelevant garbage stupidicus Jun 2013 #16

his background irrelevent anyway..... bowens43 Jun 2013 #19

Rushing to judgment is a bad idea whenever dealing with the intelligence apparatus. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #21

People who have to resort to shooting the messenger LWolf Jun 2013 #26

The current administration though unlike the last one cstanleytech Jun 2013 #28

A law can be "legal" in that it is passed by Congress but JDPriestly Jun 2013 #76

Snowden knew what he was doing was illegal. Raine1967 Jun 2013 #30

No, it could mean he didn't want to deal with illegal prosecution. reformist2 Jun 2013 #56

Snowden's motives have been questioned, but I don't think enough is knnown yet to impugn or praise h RVN VET Jun 2013 #32

I think Mr Snowden only has part of the truth.. DCBob Jun 2013 #33

This message was self-deleted by its author boilerbabe Jun 2013 #36

I think his credibility has relevance to his testimony. bluedigger Jun 2013 #38

Mr. Snowden is seriously flawed. fleabiscuit Jun 2013 #44

*PLONK* n/t backscatter712 Jun 2013 #46

One day I hope to meet someone who is not deeply flawed... LanternWaste Jun 2013 #86

What logic? I don't think he is relying on his logic. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #87

Let's call the tearing-up what it is: character assassination. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #45

I vote treason. SoapBox Jun 2013 #49

I vote you into my ignore list. *PLONK* n/t backscatter712 Jun 2013 #58

I thought cheapening the discussion was the goal? hootinholler Jun 2013 #53

Everytime a whistleblower gets fed up and starts talking JDPriestly Jun 2013 #59

And there are people that automatically gholtron Jun 2013 #79

He seems to be quite aware that he broke a law. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #88

The only thing illegal is what he did. gholtron Jun 2013 #94

But the courts may decide that the program that he revealed JDPriestly Jun 2013 #98

Making it about him breaking the law IS the distraction. cui bono Jun 2013 #89

Then why have laws? gholtron Jun 2013 #95

This guy should rot in prison. gholtron Jun 2013 #61

Lawfully executed FISA warrants and the collection of open source are distastfull, but... legal. Blue State Bandit Jun 2013 #62

k&r n/t RainDog Jun 2013 #65

I think you should flip that around. Skidmore Jun 2013 #72

I haven't made up my mind about the guy Marrah_G Jun 2013 #99

I don't know that the biographical information isn't important. Skidmore Jun 2013 #101

Anybody pretending they didn't know looks like Fox News Hosts. DevonRex Jun 2013 #81

What I don't understand Jenoch Jun 2013 #82

The fact is, thanks to George W. Bush and the GOP the spying was and is legal jmowreader Jun 2013 #91

Of course, that is not the perception being generated now, Obama the Spy replaces Bush the Criminal Coyotl Jun 2013 #113

How about you actually stick to the FACTS? And you aren't even posting the details> KittyWampus Jun 2013 #96

k and r for a rational thinking post...unlike some ^^^ nashville_brook Jun 2013 #100

Thank you! avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #102

kick & recommended. William769 Jun 2013 #108

Excellent point! MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #111

Wow, talk about projection! treestar Jun 2013 #116

I think that he should be prosecuted for leaking classified data davidpdx Jun 2013 #117