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arely staircase

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37. precisely

Mon Jun 10, 2013, 12:46 PM

Jun 2013

his mission is to feed them misinformation.

I am totally speculating, but its as plausible as anything as L'afair Snowden goes from weird to weirder.

Look, US contractor/spy pretends to go rogue and give a bunch of information to a journalist. But the funny thing is, there isn't all that much new to it, just enough to stir things up. The US makes all sorts of breathless pronouncements and denouncements.

Then, while bemoaning lack of privacy in the US, the contractor/spy flees to one of the biggest authoritarian regimes in the world, and has his meeting with the journalist mentioned above, in a hotel near the US consulate (and likely CIA station.) This authoritarian regime is well known to be the US's biggest cyber rival/enemy.

It is very possible.

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Something to think about for those tearing up Snowden [View all] Marrah_G Jun 2013 OP

I wish they would just come out and say the only thing they are against is morningfog Jun 2013 #1

I do not understand the blind following of this terribly flawed man. Peregrine Took Jun 2013 #2

Can't bear the thought of not having a hero anymore ... Myrina Jun 2013 #6

The BOrG seems to be a small but vocal group BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #14

Here's some insight. OnyxCollie Jun 2013 #25

Thank you for this very interesting info BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #43

Fascinating. So what about people who love and try to JDPriestly Jun 2013 #64

Vegetarians who eat chicken. OnyxCollie Jun 2013 #80

This is why I seldom have fruitful political discussions. chervilant Jun 2013 #106

Well, I consider myself pretty politically aware Art_from_Ark Jun 2013 #112

Bernays was Freud's nephew, chervilant Jun 2013 #114

Very interesting...thanks n/t zeemike Jun 2013 #68

Oh, snap! Melinda Jun 2013 #40

Nope kenfrequed Jun 2013 #63

My guess - they're paid to say these things. reformist2 Jun 2013 #69

For the most part, I don't think they're paid at all BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #78

This ^ bvar22 Jun 2013 #77

Agree 100% BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #83

I hope they're a small group, because I've been depressed at the level of DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #105

I'm sure the long-timers know who they are BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #109

They can't bear to have their illusions shattered, but, hell, life is a series of valerief Jun 2013 #39

I don't think it's President Obama, per se, Seeking Serenity Jun 2013 #7

It seems to be more the government than party.... TxGrandpa Jun 2013 #23

I disagree pscot Jun 2013 #41

Yes, I see this often BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #52

I'm not convivced Obama is merely cynical pscot Jun 2013 #104

And, to be fair, this extremist paranoia in the NSA goes JDPriestly Jun 2013 #67

the imperial presidency didn't end datasuspect Jun 2013 #18

And to be fair nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #24

" It started in 1948, and when Clinton implemented Carnivore" ? bahrbearian Jun 2013 #27

1948, National Security Act nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #29

Obama is very intelligent and would find such behaviour utterly appalling Skittles Jun 2013 #92

+10 RC Jun 2013 #4

Nope kenfrequed Jun 2013 #60

When I first read the story I thought I had deja vu because I thought this had snagglepuss Jun 2013 #93

Hmm... kenfrequed Jun 2013 #118

I think that message comes through pretty clearly anyway. Marr Jun 2013 #66

I'm against liars (like Greenwald), jumping blindly on scandals and uninformed spouting of outrage. KittyWampus Jun 2013 #97

Just like the OP, creating a simplistic black-and-white, either-or scenario in substitution for a Coyotl Jun 2013 #103

hmm... chervilant Jun 2013 #107

"The Administration is not questioning his background or even saying what he leaked was untrue." arely staircase Jun 2013 #3

And hiding in the clutches of the Chinese? nt caseymoz Jun 2013 #31

precisely arely staircase Jun 2013 #37

It is possible, but the topic here is the extent to which JDPriestly Jun 2013 #71

It's what Sun Tzu called the "dead spy" in the Art of War. Chan790 Jun 2013 #74

Yes, I know-- he's a supreme loser of a highschool dropout and/or the ultimate superspy. Marr Jun 2013 #70

Actually several government people have said he's wrong Recursion Jun 2013 #5

That's 3 atreides1 Jun 2013 #8

It's Monday morning Recursion Jun 2013 #9

I'm sure they're completely unbiased... n/t backscatter712 Jun 2013 #50

Well, then it has to be true. No axe to grind there. GoneFishin Jun 2013 #54

No, but GP claimed the government wasn't contesting the accuracy of what he said Recursion Jun 2013 #55

Oh, I follow what you are saying. GoneFishin Jun 2013 #57

He took an oath, he violated this oath by providing a foreign news agency with information he had Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #10

the oath most important here is the one the president took..to defend the constitution xiamiam Jun 2013 #13

Is the Patriot Act a signed law by GWB and extended under BHO? Is the president to pick and choose Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #17

the oath of office is to uphold the constitution..and that means all amendments xiamiam Jun 2013 #48

This guy is not a whistle blower, he has revealed information, not a wrong doing. Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #84

Good for him and good for us. Our president took an oath to protect the constitution bowens43 Jun 2013 #22

Our president took an oath warrant46 Jun 2013 #42

The highest law in the land is the Constitution. caseymoz Jun 2013 #34

You're being too kind when you say "a government ordering him to violate that". cui bono Jun 2013 #85

You're thinking of the wrong "him." caseymoz Jun 2013 #115

The Constitution is the supreme law of the land. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #73

"Snowden Blizzard of Smears" coming PDittie Jun 2013 #11

There are pockets in Hong Kong where they may never find him. caseymoz Jun 2013 #35

The Administration, as usual, is waiting for more, and accurate MineralMan Jun 2013 #12

But, as I pointed out in another post, Snowden is probably JDPriestly Jun 2013 #75

The guy is very smart marions ghost Jun 2013 #110

The smear machine is alive and well on DU Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #15

Some of them them don't need to. DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #20

+1! n/t backscatter712 Jun 2013 #47

you got that right..nt xiamiam Jun 2013 #51

This latest episode has made it easy to tell who is what. bvar22 Jun 2013 #90

yep, as already noted, it's irrelevant garbage stupidicus Jun 2013 #16

his background irrelevent anyway..... bowens43 Jun 2013 #19

Rushing to judgment is a bad idea whenever dealing with the intelligence apparatus. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #21

People who have to resort to shooting the messenger LWolf Jun 2013 #26

The current administration though unlike the last one cstanleytech Jun 2013 #28

A law can be "legal" in that it is passed by Congress but JDPriestly Jun 2013 #76

Snowden knew what he was doing was illegal. Raine1967 Jun 2013 #30

No, it could mean he didn't want to deal with illegal prosecution. reformist2 Jun 2013 #56

Snowden's motives have been questioned, but I don't think enough is knnown yet to impugn or praise h RVN VET Jun 2013 #32

I think Mr Snowden only has part of the truth.. DCBob Jun 2013 #33

This message was self-deleted by its author boilerbabe Jun 2013 #36

I think his credibility has relevance to his testimony. bluedigger Jun 2013 #38

Mr. Snowden is seriously flawed. fleabiscuit Jun 2013 #44

*PLONK* n/t backscatter712 Jun 2013 #46

One day I hope to meet someone who is not deeply flawed... LanternWaste Jun 2013 #86

What logic? I don't think he is relying on his logic. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #87

Let's call the tearing-up what it is: character assassination. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #45

I vote treason. SoapBox Jun 2013 #49

I vote you into my ignore list. *PLONK* n/t backscatter712 Jun 2013 #58

I thought cheapening the discussion was the goal? hootinholler Jun 2013 #53

Everytime a whistleblower gets fed up and starts talking JDPriestly Jun 2013 #59

And there are people that automatically gholtron Jun 2013 #79

He seems to be quite aware that he broke a law. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #88

The only thing illegal is what he did. gholtron Jun 2013 #94

But the courts may decide that the program that he revealed JDPriestly Jun 2013 #98

Making it about him breaking the law IS the distraction. cui bono Jun 2013 #89

Then why have laws? gholtron Jun 2013 #95

This guy should rot in prison. gholtron Jun 2013 #61

Lawfully executed FISA warrants and the collection of open source are distastfull, but... legal. Blue State Bandit Jun 2013 #62

k&r n/t RainDog Jun 2013 #65

I think you should flip that around. Skidmore Jun 2013 #72

I haven't made up my mind about the guy Marrah_G Jun 2013 #99

I don't know that the biographical information isn't important. Skidmore Jun 2013 #101

Anybody pretending they didn't know looks like Fox News Hosts. DevonRex Jun 2013 #81

What I don't understand Jenoch Jun 2013 #82

The fact is, thanks to George W. Bush and the GOP the spying was and is legal jmowreader Jun 2013 #91

Of course, that is not the perception being generated now, Obama the Spy replaces Bush the Criminal Coyotl Jun 2013 #113

How about you actually stick to the FACTS? And you aren't even posting the details> KittyWampus Jun 2013 #96

k and r for a rational thinking post...unlike some ^^^ nashville_brook Jun 2013 #100

Thank you! avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #102

kick & recommended. William769 Jun 2013 #108

Excellent point! MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #111

Wow, talk about projection! treestar Jun 2013 #116

I think that he should be prosecuted for leaking classified data davidpdx Jun 2013 #117