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Reply to The Straight Story (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2013, 01:29 PM

Jun 2013

http://www.cyber-rights.org/interception/stoa/interception_capabilities_2000.htm

An interesting quote in that report:

"Signals intelligence is in a crisis. ... Over the last fifty years ... In the past, technology has been the friend of NSA, but in the last four or five years technology has moved from being the friend to being the enemy of Sigint. The media of telecommunications is no longer Sigint-friendly. It used to be. When you were doing RF signals, anybody within range of that RF signal could receive it just as clearly as the intended recipient. We moved from that to microwaves, and people figured out a great way to harness that as well. Well, we're moving to media that are very difficult to get to.

Encryption is here and it's going to grow very rapidly. That is bad news for Sigint ... It is going to take a huge amount of money invested in new technologies to get access and to be able to break out the information that we still need to get from Sigint."

NB that this was before 9/11.

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The larger conversation that was part of, for the curious Recursion Jun 2013 #1

Interesting excerpt. Thanks. n/t Laelth Jun 2013 #10

A good reference, thanks. FarCenter Jun 2013 #25

"Majority Views NSA Phone Tracking as Acceptable Anti-terror Tactic" cprise Jun 2013 #31

There seems to be a lot of folks on DU who agree with the NSA's rethinking. K&R Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #2

Yes, but it's not clear any of them are really Democrats. ;) reformist2 Jun 2013 #4

Yeah, I think I ran in to one on a thread I tried to start on this topic earlier... cascadiance Jun 2013 #14

Usually? JoeyT Jun 2013 #30

i'm pretty certain that they're democrats.. frylock Jun 2013 #26

Propaganda is ubiquitous in 2013 woo me with science Jun 2013 #5

Rec. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #6

...and a lot of other people taking a winger story at face value. I don't uponit7771 Jun 2013 #9

did you notice that this happened during bush's reign? frylock Jun 2013 #27

Ron Wyden pretty much backs up Greenwald on this. Maedhros Jun 2013 #29

K & R AzDar Jun 2013 #3

Important post. Our Constitution is under assault, along with the 99 percent. woo me with science Jun 2013 #7

uh..sorry...just cant go around rethinking and reintepreting the 4th amendment.. xiamiam Jun 2013 #8

Obama planned to offensively use the Internet but reportedly only against those in foreign countries AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #11

4th amendment needs to be . . . amended geek tragedy Jun 2013 #12

Yes, earlier I was proposing that the movetoamend.org group also embrace updating the 4th amendment cascadiance Jun 2013 #15

We do have to be careful about taking away rights from corporations with so much geek tragedy Jun 2013 #16

The problem is that they claim "ownership" of this data that violates our constitution protections cascadiance Jun 2013 #17

I don't see how we avoid having private ownership of our data when we rely on private sources geek tragedy Jun 2013 #18

Just to clarify "private ownership", who are you referring to as "owners" of our private data?... cascadiance Jun 2013 #19

To a certain extent, there have always been records of the services we use. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #20

Fully agree that we find some mechanism for the customer to have legal claims... cascadiance Jun 2013 #21

Thanks for the thoughtful conversation. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #22

K&R forestpath Jun 2013 #13

Did You Catch THIS ??? WillyT Jun 2013 #23

So incoming W had "a case for new authorities and technology to adapt to the Internet era?" KansDem Jun 2013 #24

This should cause people to 'rethink' who we vote into office. Rex Jun 2013 #28

Let's start with Clapper nradisic Jun 2013 #32

We need to rethink the NSA. marble falls Jun 2013 #33

Or, as GWB might say: that goddamn piece of paper, blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #34