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uponit7771

(93,532 posts) Mon Jun 10, 2013, 02:06 PM Jun 2013

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- An Iraq war supporting, war mongering, CATO Institute winger (Greenwald) issues a story about the Obama admin NOT ... NOT breaking any laws but possibly doing something that doesn't sound right

- ...and is sourced by someone who WORKS for A Carlyle Group subsidiary (BAH)... AND is a Rand Paul Supporter (Rand Paul is f**kin stupid)

- ...and it turns out some of the jist of the story is dead ass'd wrong or just full of sophistry (Obama admin didn't even need warrants for the meta data?!!? )

But I'm supposed to take this whole thing at face value without question and crown the person who leaked it (The one claiming he has access to Obama's email as a sys admin for the NSA, not impossible by highly improbable) a hero?!

F**K THAT!

I'll wait...................................................... AGAIN

Tired of this shit, every time the sloppy M$M and GOP yells jump DU and other democrats gottah say HOW HIGH!!

regards

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WAIT!!!!!!!! [View all] uponit7771 Jun 2013 OP

Amen!!! mfcorey1 Jun 2013 #1

The more we learn (or don't learn) about Snowden Warpy Jun 2013 #26

Glad I'm not the only one who sees this... GoCubsGo Jun 2013 #74

The real scandal is that the government has not denied that JDPriestly Jun 2013 #85

That, too. GoCubsGo Jun 2013 #99

Eric Cantor had his ass handed to him this morning warrant46 Jun 2013 #106

I appreciate what Snowden is trying to do. avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #118

It seems to be timdog44 Jun 2013 #186

Remember the five stages of grief? JDPriestly Jun 2013 #199

That is a fairly perceptive timdog44 Jun 2013 #203

A lot of people on DU have not yet thought about just how much JDPriestly Jun 2013 #207

I am afraid timdog44 Jun 2013 #208

I wasn't thinking of any sort of Google searches that would JDPriestly Jun 2013 #211

You are talking about several things here. timdog44 Jun 2013 #212

Booz-Allen being involved in any way in our national security JDPriestly Jun 2013 #88

But i thought everyone wanted smaller government and bigger business???? kelliekat44 Jun 2013 #108

Agreed. timdog44 Jun 2013 #187

Also, he abandons ballerinas. sibelian Jun 2013 #190

Apparently he broke both his legs in a training accident in the military Mojorabbit Jun 2013 #202

Interesting. Warpy Jun 2013 #205

I certainly wouldn't trust anybody that donates to a Republican. n/t Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #2

+1 Money talks, even if I donate 5 dollars on the straight up it's still a sign of support uponit7771 Jun 2013 #3

you mean like Elizabeth Warren? cali Jun 2013 #209

K & R. My response to this rat fucking "scandal": Fuck Ron Paul. n/t FSogol Jun 2013 #4

And so begins another episode of Hair-on-Fire Undeground. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #5

Already been threads about impeachment mcar Jun 2013 #13

Yup. I've seen them. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #16

I like that. timdog44 Jun 2013 #192

The political world is not linear. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #195

Makes it timdog44 Jun 2013 #196

Always. nt JoePhilly Jun 2013 #197

Like this one? G_j Jun 2013 #28

Hahahahaha!!!! Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #31

You don't mean the ones started by sarcastic Obama partisans, do you? DirkGently Jun 2013 #54

Makes me wonder Jamaal510 Jun 2013 #116

That's disingenuous, intheflow Jun 2013 #181

No, what's "sheeplike" Jamaal510 Jun 2013 #184

You are a Constitutional scholar? intheflow Jun 2013 #185

My sentiments EXACTLY eissa Jun 2013 #14

Pretty soon, both the far right and far left will be talking about the FEMA camps. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #17

Are you kidding me? intheflow Jun 2013 #182

Ive added 87 people to my ignore list Floyd_Gondolli Jun 2013 #18

Ahh, essentially doing the equivalent of an O'Reilly "Cut his mic off" act. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #30

they may not hear you G_j Jun 2013 #37

I could be one of the 87! Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #40

Make that 88 Floyd_Gondolli Jun 2013 #96

Case rested! Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #120

Make that 89. timdog44 Jun 2013 #193

*PLONK* Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #171

Have you visited any of the camps for illegals, the deportation JDPriestly Jun 2013 #90

At that rate, pretty soon you won't have anyone to converse JDPriestly Jun 2013 #91

Absolutely. timdog44 Jun 2013 #194

Well, good to know you've decided to wait and see. enlightenment Jun 2013 #6

"NOT breaking any laws " ProSense Jun 2013 #7

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2013 #10

And, GG won't answer the question about whether the NSA did something Cha Jun 2013 #55

Just because something is "legal" doesn't mean it's right. alarimer Jun 2013 #132

Bush committed "warrantless wiretapping". Do you know what "warrantless" means? False equivalence Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #133

+1, whistle blowing is outing someone doing something illegal. Leaking is for the sake of a good sto uponit7771 Jun 2013 #153

Pathetic, isn't it? Whisp Jun 2013 #8

thank you! nt. CitizenLeft Jun 2013 #9

Clapper's lying about it, Obama's defending it, Union Scribe Jun 2013 #11

More sophistry, what does Obama have to "defend"?!?! He doesn't even need a warrant!!!! uponit7771 Jun 2013 #15

You've already stated on DU that you support domestic spying Union Scribe Jun 2013 #19

Amen brother! Phlem Jun 2013 #34

Excellent post. And I am dismayed how many eat up his lying smears about Greenwald. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #53

Could not have said it any better myself. n/t npk Jun 2013 #59

This is not what I said, you're misrepresenting what I said AGAIN.. not surprised. Regards uponit7771 Jun 2013 #68

Here's the link: Union Scribe Jun 2013 #115

There's no SPYING In that link, again...this is ANOTHER falsehood uponit7771 Jun 2013 #124

So you're in favor of "the President's domestic surveillance of citizens" LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #146

I'm in favor of knowing the difference between SPYING and surveying !! uponit7771 Jun 2013 #152

I'm in favor of you knowing the difference between spying and surveying too LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #154

That's a lot of punctuation. DirkGently Jun 2013 #49

I'm right with you madokie Jun 2013 #12

Obama denounced the IRS issue (wrongly, imo) and had nothing to hide Union Scribe Jun 2013 #21

You might be interested to know ... Laelth Jun 2013 #20

wow Glen Greenwald worked for CATO? he write a paper on drug policy for them as part of a debate azurnoir Jun 2013 #22

But...but...but... BeeBee Jun 2013 #23

Well said question everything Jun 2013 #24

I do not look at these latest revelations to be an attack on the President snappyturtle Jun 2013 #25

Definition of warmonger: : one who urges or attempts to stir up war Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #36

The accusation of war monger was the OP's, not mine. I was meerly pointing out snappyturtle Jun 2013 #43

Everything which does not help the President is an attack on the President! DirkGently Jun 2013 #47

Snowden said that "Hong Kong has a strong tradition of free speech." SunSeeker Jun 2013 #27

Oh my god! Snowden killed the Tiananmen Square guy? DirkGently Jun 2013 #39

No, he didn't kill the Tienanmen Square guy. He just killed his credibility. nt SunSeeker Jun 2013 #44

By going to Hong Kong, a hive of scum & villany? DirkGently Jun 2013 #45

No, by lavishing praise on the "free speech tradition" of Hong Kong. nt SunSeeker Jun 2013 #48

Well they do have a tradition of free speech. DirkGently Jun 2013 #50

Oh yes, Hong Kong, the free speech mecca. SunSeeker Jun 2013 #57

So you'd find him more credible, somehow, if he'd gone to Bermuda? DirkGently Jun 2013 #60

I'd find him more credible if he didn't lavish praise on Chinese "free speech" while bashing the US. SunSeeker Jun 2013 #67

A lot of people "bash" the U.S. Domestic surveillance programs. Including DirkGently Jun 2013 #69

You keep avoiding the point that he praised China, which has terrible abuses. SunSeeker Jun 2013 #75

Hillary Clinton supported the Iraq war. Does she lack credibility? DirkGently Jun 2013 #83

...If she were a winger? YES!! She's NOT a winger like Greenwald and Snowden. uponit7771 Jun 2013 #89

What wing is Greenwald on, again? Not the right, DirkGently Jun 2013 #102

She would if she still supported it after the facts came out. SunSeeker Jun 2013 #92

You tried to equate Tiananmen Square DirkGently Jun 2013 #105

OFFS, Hong Kong is no haven of free speech. I can't believe you are singing its praises. SunSeeker Jun 2013 #119

It's not really relevant to the topic of domestic spying, is the point. DirkGently Jun 2013 #121

About that. Doesn't look like Greenwald did support Iraq. DirkGently Jun 2013 #111

Oh, but he did support Iraq! Not only did he support it, he was Bush fanboy who got duped! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #138

Eh. Those words do not really say that. He admits to briefly DirkGently Jun 2013 #142

Uhhmmm. Okay! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #143

Yes, it's okay your mischaracterization failed. DirkGently Jun 2013 #147

No, probably not. But he also probably doesn't want to live in a country snappyturtle Jun 2013 #46

If he doesn't want to live in a country where there has ever been an atrocity, he's got slim picking SunSeeker Jun 2013 #52

If that's true, the question is, what's YOUR point? DirkGently Jun 2013 #56

It's stupid to go to a country with even worse abuses & lavish praise on it while bashing the US. SunSeeker Jun 2013 #61

Ah...short memory. Never mind. You must be overly stressed. nt snappyturtle Jun 2013 #58

Well, they didn't run him over, did they? AAO Jun 2013 #156

Snowden could have donated money to Pol Pot. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #29

Glenn Greenwald Once Again Proves He is a Hate-Oozing Douche FarCenter Jun 2013 #32

k and r Berlum Jun 2013 #33

zOMg! Tenuous smears & guilt by association! DirkGently Jun 2013 #35

Yeah, lets take the Carlyle Groups, Cato, Rand Paul supports and Bush appoligist at face value... uponit7771 Jun 2013 #70

Well, you're welcomed to explain how your conspiracy theory plays out. DirkGently Jun 2013 #79

Don't have to be a conspiracy to look at the background of those who are telling this story and uponit7771 Jun 2013 #81

But you don't want to explain what you mean by that? DirkGently Jun 2013 #84

IF they supported Bush to a shill level like Glen or Ron Paul like Snow they're NOT to be trusted... uponit7771 Jun 2013 #157

How did the preface of Greenwald's book attacking Bush make him a "shill" for Bush? DirkGently Jun 2013 #159

You're quite hung up on Carlyle LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #95

This is one of those "fill in LOTS of blanks" type theories I think. DirkGently Jun 2013 #107

You didn't want to answer before so let me try again... LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #148

More Bush connections: DevonRex Jun 2013 #38

Hmmmm. Tell us more of this Chinese Bush conspiracy. DirkGently Jun 2013 #42

Oh, people here have called Obama worse than Bush. DevonRex Jun 2013 #66

I'm simply asking you to flesh out your rather exotic conspiracy theory. DirkGently Jun 2013 #73

You Might RobinA Jun 2013 #71

Greenwald had no problem wiretapping for Matt Hale.... msanthrope Jun 2013 #41

thanks for the link, ms. Cha Jun 2013 #62

He loved GW's invasion of Iraq and all his security measures, too. nt DevonRex Jun 2013 #76

Got a link to any of that? DirkGently Jun 2013 #113

You should repost that as its own OP leftynyc Jun 2013 #82

Now that's some ugly shit right there. Can you spell "h-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e"? Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #144

Greenwald's lack of empathy for others tends to come out, doesn't it? nt msanthrope Jun 2013 #145

It does indeed. n/t Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #168

Oh and WAIT, some More! GG's been working with ES since FEB! Cha Jun 2013 #51

Edward (SnowEd em) Snowden Eddie Haskell Jun 2013 #63

ods bigtree Jun 2013 #64

And the "hero" volunteered to fight in the Iraq war after believing everything Bush/Cheney said. bushisanidiot Jun 2013 #65

DING DING DING!! Needs to be a Top Post too. When I see a progressive that isn't bashing Obama uponit7771 Jun 2013 #78

Thanks for making sense leftynyc Jun 2013 #72

I'm in w/this OP!!! K&R!! hue Jun 2013 #77

Oh, shit! You done did it now!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #80

thx I need them, gotta look at things plainly sometimes ... don't know why ANYONE is listening to uponit7771 Jun 2013 #87

Didn't realize DU was in the game of shooting the messenger these days Roland99 Jun 2013 #86

...if the messenger was a war mongering, cato institute winger who supported Rand Paul then we shoul uponit7771 Jun 2013 #93

There's enough evidence of that Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #117

So, this worsening of things Bush started is more of Obama's "chess game" Roland99 Jun 2013 #123

I know he is not a liberal, he is a libertarian, but i did not know he supported the Iraq war still_one Jun 2013 #94

He did then tried to claim he didn't uponit7771 Jun 2013 #97

Thanks for the link still_one Jun 2013 #100

That link doesn't even say that. DirkGently Jun 2013 #109

He actually didn't, apparently. DirkGently Jun 2013 #110

Desperate. GoneFishin Jun 2013 #98

Since facts aren't working Maedhros Jun 2013 #101

Could you point out where I'm wrong? Regards uponit7771 Jun 2013 #129

The burden of proof Maedhros Jun 2013 #172

Here you go. Maedhros Jun 2013 #213

Apparently our shipment of ultra-concentrated well poison has come in. JoeyT Jun 2013 #103

There's no telling them it's not all about Obama. It's like fire ants. DirkGently Jun 2013 #122

Slight quibble: He's a Ron Paul supporter. KamaAina Jun 2013 #104

Slight quibble? This OP is hilariously nonsensical. DirkGently Jun 2013 #112

Support Iraq war AND wirte for CATO and is an asshole, and Snow didn't contribute 15 dollars he gave uponit7771 Jun 2013 #125

Got a real link on that Iraq thing? Yours doesn't say that. DirkGently Jun 2013 #127

here uponit7771 Jun 2013 #128

Same one. They just talk in circles. No evidence. DirkGently Jun 2013 #130

I disagree...quote inside uponit7771 Jun 2013 #137

That's him describing his former views in a book denouncing Bush. DirkGently Jun 2013 #149

Irrelevant to the question, the question was did he support Bush's war the answer = YES uponit7771 Jun 2013 #151

No, he was a reporter that started writing to become a Bush critic. DirkGently Jun 2013 #155

REALLY?!?! He even says he gave them the benefit of the doubt!!! I NEVER gave that bastard the uponit7771 Jun 2013 #158

Me neither. But most of America did, for a moment. Doesn't make him a "shill." DirkGently Jun 2013 #160

I agree, if that was the ONLY thing I would agree but it wasn't. Glen is an ass, CATO I contributor uponit7771 Jun 2013 #161

PRISM was operating under an illegal interpretation of the law in 2011. DirkGently Jun 2013 #162

+1 tallahasseedem Jun 2013 #114

YEAH!!!! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #126

Yup, it be froggy. But consider that the media is all we got. Besides memory and brains. freshwest Jun 2013 #131

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2013 #140

"Most significant" leak in history, and likely one of the dumbest. ProSense Jun 2013 #134

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2013 #135

Anyone who calls Greenwald "war mongering" clearly has not read Greenwald Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #136

Same here...I just quoted Greenwald (inside) on another post uponit7771 Jun 2013 #139

And then he became one of the most vocal critics of the Bush Administration Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #141

Yeah after it was seen that Bush was losing!! The SECOND there were no WMDs found guys like Glen uponit7771 Jun 2013 #150

Greenwald was a thorn in the side of the Bush Administration Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #164

I agree, only after the shit hit the fan though...like most kkkons they dropped the Bush admin like uponit7771 Jun 2013 #166

And then they all started blogging extensively and expertly on how Bush's actions Hissyspit Jun 2013 #177

Greenwald responds to your smears re cato, etc. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #163

"I accepted his judgment that American security really would be enhanced by the invasion of this ... uponit7771 Jun 2013 #165

no, you. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #167

no...you uponit7771 Jun 2013 #169

no no, tu. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #170

Although I Tend to Agree With You, On the Road Jun 2013 #173

All these recs for an OP that starts out with two lies in the first sentence Hissyspit Jun 2013 #174

False, both statements here are false uponit7771 Jun 2013 #178

Nope. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #179

bravo kardonb Jun 2013 #175

Washington Post has not only backed away from its initial reporting, it now says that Obama won't Number23 Jun 2013 #176

+1 savalez Jun 2013 #189

Speak to it, #23! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #198

I wish I could agree that screaming that "Obama=Bush" does fuck all. SunSeeker Jun 2013 #204

+ an absolute million. PERFECT post Number23 Jun 2013 #206

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2013 #214

Trolls are everywhere, systematically dividing (thereby destroying) DU. October Jun 2013 #180

tssk... ForeignandDomestic Jun 2013 #183

K&R savalez Jun 2013 #188

"crown the person who leaked it" sibelian Jun 2013 #191

I am open to all the lies we are handed daily WHEN CRABS ROAR Jun 2013 #200

K/R CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #201

Boo. Common lies used by right-wingers and Obamabots to smear Greenwald because of the stuff he says limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #210