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cascadiance

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19. Just to clarify "private ownership", who are you referring to as "owners" of our private data?...
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 04:04 PM
Jun 2013

That is the fundamental question. The fourth amendment was written at a time where our private information was in physical objects, etc. that we could keep on our own physical property, so that the ownership being our own (and not shared with a corporate entity) was far more clear then. But what was also clear was our founders' feelings that we as the owner of that physical property privately should be protected from others trying to invade that private space. They would want something today that would protect us individuals as "owners" of our private information.

We have complications of shared ownership of private information now, not only with the companies that house our private information online, but with those we communicate in private with through messaging, emails, phone calls, etc. It's a lot more complicated, and we need to be very careful not to open another can of worms if and when we change laws in this area, especially with an amendment, but we need to make sure that we as citizens are as much of the process that helps craft these laws as those either at the top of companies or the government doing so, as we will be the ones that get stepped on continually if we don't.

Earlier there were laws created to protect people's credit card numbers that were kept online by vendors who were taking them for online purchases, etc. As an engineer, I know of that effort, as after those laws were put in place, we had to prioritize encrypting that data we had with people's credit card numbers as many other web vendors did then. I even made sure that what didn't get missed was some log messages when database errors occurred that unencrypted CC numbers weren't being logged in the log files either. We need rules like this to make sure they get followed and that more and more holes that keep our privacy from being protected get shored up.

Should a Google, Facebook or Yahoo hiring manager be able to look at your private consumer-based online search history, email and messaging content, ad targeting information as a part of considering whether to hire you? Many of us now have to deal with that. That has nothing to do with government claiming the right to look at your private information, and everything to do with whether you have similar protections against abuse of your privacy by private entities as well. They already have more visibly been trying to subvert people's privacy by demanding many prospective employees or prospective university students to turn over their facebook passwords or the like. A decently updated fourth amendment would stop or at least control a lot of these issues in their tracks.

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The larger conversation that was part of, for the curious Recursion Jun 2013 #1
Interesting excerpt. Thanks. n/t Laelth Jun 2013 #10
A good reference, thanks. FarCenter Jun 2013 #25
"Majority Views NSA Phone Tracking as Acceptable Anti-terror Tactic" cprise Jun 2013 #31
There seems to be a lot of folks on DU who agree with the NSA's rethinking. K&R Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #2
Yes, but it's not clear any of them are really Democrats. ;) reformist2 Jun 2013 #4
Yeah, I think I ran in to one on a thread I tried to start on this topic earlier... cascadiance Jun 2013 #14
Usually? JoeyT Jun 2013 #30
i'm pretty certain that they're democrats.. frylock Jun 2013 #26
Propaganda is ubiquitous in 2013 woo me with science Jun 2013 #5
Rec. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #6
...and a lot of other people taking a winger story at face value. I don't uponit7771 Jun 2013 #9
did you notice that this happened during bush's reign? frylock Jun 2013 #27
Ron Wyden pretty much backs up Greenwald on this. Maedhros Jun 2013 #29
K & R AzDar Jun 2013 #3
Important post. Our Constitution is under assault, along with the 99 percent. woo me with science Jun 2013 #7
uh..sorry...just cant go around rethinking and reintepreting the 4th amendment.. xiamiam Jun 2013 #8
Obama planned to offensively use the Internet but reportedly only against those in foreign countries AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #11
4th amendment needs to be . . . amended geek tragedy Jun 2013 #12
Yes, earlier I was proposing that the movetoamend.org group also embrace updating the 4th amendment cascadiance Jun 2013 #15
We do have to be careful about taking away rights from corporations with so much geek tragedy Jun 2013 #16
The problem is that they claim "ownership" of this data that violates our constitution protections cascadiance Jun 2013 #17
I don't see how we avoid having private ownership of our data when we rely on private sources geek tragedy Jun 2013 #18
Just to clarify "private ownership", who are you referring to as "owners" of our private data?... cascadiance Jun 2013 #19
To a certain extent, there have always been records of the services we use. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #20
Fully agree that we find some mechanism for the customer to have legal claims... cascadiance Jun 2013 #21
Thanks for the thoughtful conversation. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #22
K&R forestpath Jun 2013 #13
Did You Catch THIS ??? WillyT Jun 2013 #23
So incoming W had "a case for new authorities and technology to adapt to the Internet era?" KansDem Jun 2013 #24
This should cause people to 'rethink' who we vote into office. Rex Jun 2013 #28
Let's start with Clapper nradisic Jun 2013 #32
We need to rethink the NSA. marble falls Jun 2013 #33
Or, as GWB might say: that goddamn piece of paper, blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #34
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