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25. I've read those things on DU. Multiple times. Today.

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You have to be utterly ignorant of history, in a state of denial, dumb as grits or [View all] cali Jun 2013 OP

K&R. MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #1

Maybe we should cut the government's funds and shrink government until JoePhilly Jun 2013 #2

what on earth does that have to do with my op? cali Jun 2013 #5

Well ... JoePhilly Jun 2013 #7

lol Skittles Jun 2013 #9

It was a stretch Le Taz Hot Jun 2013 #109

Maybe we could, you know, oversee what these overly funded, runaway agencies are doing sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #14

Wait� so you think the Government� which the OP trashes initially, is the solution? KittyWampus Jun 2013 #51

Please tell us what you think the "solution" is. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #66

To misrepresent H2O Man Jun 2013 #23

It isn't misrepresenting because it's exactly the premise used by those who want to kill KittyWampus Jun 2013 #49

It absolutely is H2O Man Jun 2013 #58

x2 AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #155

We need a strong, capable government that is interested in JDPriestly Jun 2013 #32

That's it in a nutshell pscot Jun 2013 #76

1st step pmorlan1 Jun 2013 #97

Great Video pmorlan1 Jun 2013 #98

Melber was on fire! grasswire Jun 2013 #101

but I said nothing of the sort, genius. And you know that. cali Jun 2013 #84

Wrong Blog fjlovato Jun 2013 #144

We should limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #160

you're not leaving them any options, cali Skittles Jun 2013 #8

From what I read lately on DU, (including in this OP) we're all doomed. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #12

you need to stop with the black and white thinking Skittles Jun 2013 #15

I've read those things on DU. Multiple times. Today. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #25

I've read the leak was a Bush family conspiracy to embarass Obama DirkGently Jun 2013 #27

No, the OP is putting for the usual Libertarian position treestar Jun 2013 #118

like joe, you must be reading either the wrong OP... blackspade Jun 2013 #156

You were reading an imaginary OP treestar Jun 2013 #173

Cynicism is like most 'isms,' is subjective. blackspade Jun 2013 #174

The people didn't vote for Booz Allen or any other Private Security firm, nor did we vote for sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #18

Do you vote for every appointed official in all parts of the government? JoePhilly Jun 2013 #26

Gerrymandering usaf-vet Jun 2013 #128

True, but only effects the House. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #131

It means they have kill Democracy as we know it. usaf-vet Jun 2013 #149

Totally doomed, man BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #37

No, many of us aren't defending the indefensible. We are just sticking to FACTS. KittyWampus Jun 2013 #53

no, you are not seeing the big picture Skittles Jun 2013 #56

really, hon? what part of my op isn't factual? do tell. cali Jun 2013 #85

oh please, blind partisans never stick to facts. if the facts are wrong then you spin like a top. n boilerbabe Jun 2013 #88

+1 treestar Jun 2013 #119

Looks to me like when someone points out an iceberg that some immediately rhett o rick Jun 2013 #143

lol.....you said circle jerk. nt clarice Jun 2013 #151

And what facts would those be? blackspade Jun 2013 #158

It's just an unsubtle way of suggesting that you're a Rovian Stooge for suggesting that the Admin is leveymg Jun 2013 #60

apparently if you dare ever question the government at all you are siding with the republicans and liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #86

Government bureaucracies treestar Jun 2013 #116

I knew you'd slip up and expose yourself one day. We all know where that came from. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #68

More misguided DU "OUTRAGE"... SkyDaddy7 Jun 2013 #122

Fine, and congress authorized it, and because we are a representative government, people voted for still_one Jun 2013 #3

I don't think a lot of these folks were actually elected. reusrename Jun 2013 #64

I disagree. 2008 proves that. 2000 also proves that still_one Jun 2013 #67

I have to wonder if what Congress supposedly authorized Abq_Sarah Jun 2013 #102

Even the movie 9/11 discussed this. Now, in the movie a Congress person indicated most never read still_one Jun 2013 #139

80 billion a year for security.... mike_c Jun 2013 #4

You didn't mention one thing. david13 Jun 2013 #6

"the people" H2O Man Jun 2013 #13

Shorter version: Abq_Sarah Jun 2013 #103

This: Hissyspit Jun 2013 #20

Interesting. Both parties are moving in different directions on this. totodeinhere Jun 2013 #74

which just goes to show you how many political hacks there are posting on political websites. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #95

Yet in 2002, liberals were more supportive of liberty-restricting laws like the USA PATRIOT Act. OnyxCollie Jun 2013 #135

The people have been conditioned and lied to, that's why WHEN CRABS ROAR Jun 2013 #157

In America. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #10

+10 RC Jun 2013 #40

And you have to ProSense Jun 2013 #11

I thought President Obama was supposed to be different... YoungDemCA Jun 2013 #19

Thank you markpkessinger Jun 2013 #39

Don't you think the 2011 ruling on the Obama administration's illegal spying DirkGently Jun 2013 #24

++++ B Calm Jun 2013 #34

Smith v. Maryland was decided in 1979 before the advent of today's JDPriestly Jun 2013 #38

^^^THIS^^^ Zoeisright Jun 2013 #50

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2013 #80

There is an issue here though blackspade Jun 2013 #161

There is no "defense side" for any warrant application jberryhill Jun 2013 #16

I'm going with "mindless partisanship." The sputtering is hilarious. DirkGently Jun 2013 #17

Well said. YoungDemCA Jun 2013 #21

My biggest worry, based on our history... aquart Jun 2013 #31

You can't make a law legalizing violating the Constitution. DirkGently Jun 2013 #42

Grits aren't dumb. I like grits. Apart from that: carry on. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #22

Hey, I was going to say that! Adam-Bomb Jun 2013 #83

Uh huh. aquart Jun 2013 #28

K&R! G_j Jun 2013 #29

I'm Gonna Go With E:)... All Of The Above... WillyT Jun 2013 #30

Alot of name-calling going on on DU as of late. I don't like it. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #33

Hide the thread or ignore the poster HangOnKids Jun 2013 #41

Meh. I have zero people on ignore, and hiding threads doesn't help the insults & hyperbole. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #43

This is a rough board HangOnKids Jun 2013 #44

Ha. IDemo Jun 2013 #82

Agreed. Look at all the govt violations that were uncovered by the Church Committee decades ago. avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #35

But but but Phlem Jun 2013 #36

I love the title to your post..content as well..but the title just lays it out..thanks..nt xiamiam Jun 2013 #45

Let's just say your hypothesis is correct... d06204 Jun 2013 #46

By instilling a climate of distrust and fear of our government? blackspade Jun 2013 #162

Your opening premise= Gover Norquist's wet dream. NOW- if you'd opened w/need to cut out private KittyWampus Jun 2013 #47

what absolute horse pucky. cali Jun 2013 #146

k&r for the truth, however depressing it may be. n/t Laelth Jun 2013 #48

So how do you propose we fix that problem? DCBob Jun 2013 #52

Nothing to propose other than scrap the whole thing, and fire the gov. workers there. Amonester Jun 2013 #106

You have such a distinct turn of phrase. LWolf Jun 2013 #54

But..but..it's absolutely essential to keep the scary bogeymen, like Snowden and Manning, at bay. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #55

I can agree with this entire post, but obxhead Jun 2013 #57

I guess Al Franken is a mindless partisan OKNancy Jun 2013 #59

I'll go with my own Senator, thank you very much. And Bernie thinks it's deplorable. cali Jun 2013 #87

as will I - I stand with Bernie on this one. piratefish08 Jun 2013 #172

very well said! liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #61

What the hell, did you get up on the wrong side of the bed this afternoon or something? Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #62

Damn, you missed the whole barn. reusrename Jun 2013 #69

She does every damn day, Major Ishoutandscream2 Jun 2013 #152

that was uncalled for blackspade Jun 2013 #163

Really? You like the way she talks down to people? Ishoutandscream2 Jun 2013 #164

Other that the use of 'honey'.... blackspade Jun 2013 #167

We're all Germans now. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #63

"And we thought we were free". nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #70

I think we're turning Japanese. OnyxCollie Jun 2013 #137

I am afraid that I cannot agree. grantcart Jun 2013 #65

It has very little to do with Al Queda and much more to do with OWS. reusrename Jun 2013 #113

When I voted libdude Jun 2013 #71

Good post, libdude. Le Taz Hot Jun 2013 #110

obviously - but the public has been so deeply indoctrinated to be afraid of its own Shadow - it Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #72

Republicans shifted because they're racist upi402 Jun 2013 #78

we know that - but what is the Democrats excuse for such a dramatic change in position? Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #96

cali timdog44 Jun 2013 #73

Somewhat pertinent. timdog44 Jun 2013 #75

I don't have you on ignore RainDog Jun 2013 #81

Thanks RainDog. timdog44 Jun 2013 #100

Thanks to you, timdog44 RainDog Jun 2013 #148

yes, and it is WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! upi402 Jun 2013 #77

I love Grits..they ain't Dumb...but BLAND... GOOD POST! K&R KoKo Jun 2013 #79

Damn you. Bucky Jun 2013 #117

It seems to me that older DU members are defending the indefensible Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #89

And thanks to the many youngsters who didn't vote in 2010 otohara Jun 2013 #105

I'm an "older member of DU" Le Taz Hot Jun 2013 #111

Or, you have to be waiting for evidence of abuse of powers bhikkhu Jun 2013 #90

Sometimes it takes 50 years for us to learn about the abuses the government commits. liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #91

no it's not blustery or foolish. It's common sense and a knowledge of history, honey. cali Jun 2013 #92

You probably are right bhikkhu Jun 2013 #94

J. Edgar Hoover Le Taz Hot Jun 2013 #112

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2013 #93

You could also be someone who expects to become rich from the abuse of national security. Kablooie Jun 2013 #99

Yep, that horse left the barn a long time ago, and Donovan was not juajen Jun 2013 #104

K and R ReRe Jun 2013 #107

Amen nradisic Jun 2013 #108

it's okay when Pres. Obama does it. not Bush though - because he was evil. I read it on the DU. piratefish08 Jun 2013 #114

LOL warrant46 Jun 2013 #165

That would apply to any bureaucracy treestar Jun 2013 #115

Those in, for instance, the welfare bureaucracy, don't have the kind of power cali Jun 2013 #120

Quit calling me honey treestar Jun 2013 #121

OK. and my ability to debate is certainly far better than yours. debate requires some cali Jun 2013 #123

I can debate far better than you can treestar Jun 2013 #126

Capabilities WovenGems Jun 2013 #124

I have a question. timdog44 Jun 2013 #125

It can't find WovenGems Jun 2013 #127

It would be very hard to live "off the grid" today unless you had a lot of cash buried somewhere. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #129

And I don't know how true this is timdog44 Jun 2013 #134

Just because you dont know where he is doesnt mean the govment doesnt know. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #130

You are quite right timdog44 Jun 2013 #138

I think the problem is that technology is advancing faster than we can control. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #140

I was just thinking that and timdog44 Jun 2013 #142

Well, us little people that need loans, have to allow personal intrusion when applying for jobs Babel_17 Jun 2013 #132

The Nazis had a "court system" too. CanonRay Jun 2013 #133

FISA approve almost all because appeals courts have already ruled the President can do this. stevenleser Jun 2013 #136

I'm quite aware of that cali Jun 2013 #147

I already rec'd this but it needs a double rec Catherina Jun 2013 #141

thanks cali Jun 2013 #145

I can't dwell on how depressing it is Catherina Jun 2013 #170

Completely agree that these agencies are abusing their power. But are you saying AnnieK401 Jun 2013 #150

I guess the only sort of solution I see at this point is far greater congressional oversight cali Jun 2013 #153

Outsourced even! PuraVidaDreamin Jun 2013 #154

no outrage in 2006 w/ NO WARRANT! i call BS on the gnews media. pansypoo53219 Jun 2013 #159

Grits are not dumb. Are_grits_groceries Jun 2013 #166

And your point? What has actually happened to you as a result? Local police abuse their power ever kelliekat44 Jun 2013 #168

are you kidding? do a freakin' search and you'll quickly find a lot of outrage over police cali Jun 2013 #169

Kick & recommended. William769 Jun 2013 #171