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In reply to the discussion: Do you believe there are species that have mastered FTL travel? [View all]lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)126. This is the part of the argument I love.
Fermi assumed that any alien life would function in a manner similar to life on our own planet. That's a false premise. Life on our planet evolved in its current form in response to external forcing unique to this planet. There is no way for us to know what forces would provide evolutionary pressure to life on other planets
Me) We're alone.
Response) No we're not, because there are lots of planets. Besides, Drake equation.
Me) If any of the values in the Drake equation are zero, then so is the result.
Response) We have proof of life here, therefore the result of the Drake equation is not zero, so life happened lots of places.
Me) Then where is everyone? Where's the radio signals? Where are the monoliths on the Moon?
Response) Aliens use tachyon pulses and subspace communications and shit. Besides, life elsewhere in the galaxy is unimaginably different(tm). They play 14 dimensional scrabble whilst hanging out with Lando Calrissian at Cloud City and are entirely uninterested in prosaic matters of survival.
Me) If we're going to use the example of Earth as proof that life evolves elsewhere in the galaxy, then it seems reasonable to use that life as an example of what "life" means.
Life as we know it grows through metabolism, reproduces and adapts to its environment. Every successful organism outcompetes other organisms for reproduction. Intelligent life outcompetes by being better able to adapt to a variety of environments. The unavoidable end state for an intelligent organism which isn't rendered extinct is population expansion to all the environments possible; interstellar expansion. Intelligent technological species don't simply hang up their tennis shoes to retire on the porch.
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Any truly intelligent interstellar traveling species would avoid us like the plague.
hobbit709
Jun 2013
#2
I think there may be and I think it would behoove us not to attract their attention
Fumesucker
Jun 2013
#4
My own speculation would be that there are possible pasts, just as there are possible futures.
hunter
Jun 2013
#51
No, but I believe that there are esseentially immortal species that do interstellar travel.
FarCenter
Jun 2013
#11
I'm sure intelligent life exists elsewhere, but it's a lot less common than we think
Hugabear
Jun 2013
#46
I don't think it's a belief to say there are other intelligent species in the universe
burnodo
Jun 2013
#19
The DU hosts appear to believe that FTL travel is more likely than Wellstone being murdered.
Nye Bevan
Jun 2013
#59
Absolutely. My cat routinely teleports herself out of the kitchen if I happen to drop a dish.
tanyev
Jun 2013
#17
Indefinite human lifespan will probably be achieved long before FTL / generation ships
MillennialDem
Jun 2013
#97
If we don't bomb ourselves back to the stone age. If we don't decide that feudalism.........
wandy
Jun 2013
#31
I have thought this very thing for years. I speculate that beings may have to evolve to a state that
Lint Head
Jun 2013
#33
Going from Point A to Point B faster than light leads to time travel paradoxes, no matter how...
Silent3
Jun 2013
#35
You're missing the big picture, where more than one person has a warp drive at the same time.
Silent3
Jun 2013
#50
Yes. Democrats often hit those speeds when reversing previously held convictions. nt
Demo_Chris
Jun 2013
#37
So you don't think there's even microbial life anywhere else in the entire universe? /nt
Marr
Jun 2013
#64
True. The complete lack of evidence makes even microbial life a wild-assed guess.
lumberjack_jeff
Jun 2013
#74
No evidence at all that the have. Or that there are any other living beings. I like evidence. n-t
Logical
Jun 2013
#60
If such a thing is physically possible, I have to think it's been done *somewhere* in the universe.
Marr
Jun 2013
#62
Most people a thousand years ago would have said putting a human on the moon is impossible.
Incitatus
Jun 2013
#83
No evidence that any have mastered it. Why would anyone believe it? Faith? eom
yawnmaster
Jun 2013
#84
I disagree some species in the galaxy has discovered it at this present moment. It's possible yes,
MillennialDem
Jun 2013
#95
Regarding leaving Earth, I was simplifying things for making my point of
MillennialDem
Jun 2013
#110
If FTL is possible, do you think we would be the first in our galaxy to find it?
GreenStormCloud
Jun 2013
#119
I'd say your pizza delivery happened quickly, but not remotely close to FTL...nt
SidDithers
Jun 2013
#96