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G_j

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68. A brutal conversation, In many respects you are correct

Mon Jun 10, 2013, 08:27 PM

Jun 2013

I am in the same generation, applied for a CO during Vietnam and have been, along with other life activities, a peace and environmental activist since then,

Your grim assessment is sadly, pretty accurate. However, NOTHING is ever 100% certain. No human endeavor is invincible. After seeing the new forms of resistance developing around the world, and in OWS, I have hope that at least at points,
we can be a significant pain in their ass, and alter their plans.

Aside from the big picture, there is always something to fight for, where a person can make positive change, especially in local issues. I would recommend everyone resist apathy in whatever way they find that can in their situation. There is always something that can be done, even if it seems small.

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I will tell you what I've been told for many years: [View all] PCIntern Jun 2013 OP

It's not like we have much choice siligut Jun 2013 #1

So you give up RobertEarl Jun 2013 #2

you go right ahead and take them on... PCIntern Jun 2013 #4

Not kidding anyone RobertEarl Jun 2013 #7

It is that kind of apathy that has made it all possible. They WANT us to just accept it. sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #26

So your advice is to shut up, sit tight, don't concern yourself. GoneFishin Jun 2013 #3

See above. PCIntern Jun 2013 #5

Thanks for the additional input. Sincerely. I understand your tone a bit better. GoneFishin Jun 2013 #9

Not even a secret. Bill Clinton signed this. nt Demo_Chris Jun 2013 #6

I think that the point isn't that they're doing it, we've known for generations that the government Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #8

If counter-terrorism will forever be an infinite resource used by the Govt, then JaneyVee Jun 2013 #10

you would be correct IMO PCIntern Jun 2013 #11

I agree, if we want this to change lets log off of DU and start taking action. Otherwise JaneyVee Jun 2013 #12

If your premise is accepted then how do electoral politics remain impactive TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #16

Very well stated. GoneFishin Jun 2013 #17

To quote someone else here, "Wow". PCIntern Jun 2013 #19

Deluded much? RobertEarl Jun 2013 #20

i'm not gonna get personal as you did... PCIntern Jun 2013 #21

You know who Frank Church is? RobertEarl Jun 2013 #22

Yes...to your condescending question... PCIntern Jun 2013 #23

So why would tearing down President Obama get anyone what they would want? graham4anything Jun 2013 #25

Carter was removed by the dirty tricks of Bush Sr. CIA's. Time for payback against that clique of leveymg Jun 2013 #51

Yes, thanks RobertEarl Jun 2013 #54

I agree with you about Obama. leveymg Jun 2013 #55

Obama needs us to rise up RobertEarl Jun 2013 #56

He's got our attention, and this is not the time to let a show of loyalty overtake our leveymg Jun 2013 #59

Fly lists RobertEarl Jun 2013 #61

That argument also raises the question 'why should we vote at all if everything is pre-determined sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #30

Beautifully said! nt Mojorabbit Jun 2013 #52

Yes, Janey, and I obviously Cha Jun 2013 #63

Yep. RevStPatrick Jun 2013 #13

I assume he did not mention which state was most closely tied to those devices. GoneFishin Jun 2013 #18

Sounds like a page out of Clancy's novel "The Sum of all Fears". roamer65 Jun 2013 #24

Well, I don't believe your friend, so I am not worried about dying a fiery death. I'm more worried sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #31

Good sheep never complain. GeorgeGist Jun 2013 #14

And bad sheep just complain on DU without taking any meaningful action? JaneyVee Jun 2013 #15

Agent Mike, is that you? Fumesucker Jun 2013 #27

How do you know what people are doing in real life? You don't, and now that we know we are being sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #34

The American people, in general, have chosen security over freedom steve2470 Jun 2013 #28

If people were capable of logical thinking, another attack would prove that all the killing and sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #37

oh I agree with you steve2470 Jun 2013 #38

I am afraid of that too. Look at this site eg, the willingness to accept what used to be sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #42

apparently Clinton's "Thin Thread" program was discarded in favor of the current setup steve2470 Jun 2013 #43

People act like big brother hasn't ever been watching. Since before WWII and probably before southernyankeebelle Jun 2013 #29

Yes. You are entirely correct PCIntern Jun 2013 #32

It was changed, when people got angry enough, at least it was reigned in after the Nixon scandal. sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #40

the Nixon scandal was never fully brought to fruition... PCIntern Jun 2013 #46

Now, now... roamer65 Jun 2013 #50

I'm not surprised by anything you're saying. We used to make horror movies about machines lindysalsagal Jun 2013 #33

Don't forget the NFL... PCIntern Jun 2013 #36

Right. Professional sports are a full-time substitute for millions of people who no longer really lindysalsagal Jun 2013 #39

+1 nt PCIntern Jun 2013 #41

I just covered the camera on my laptop: You've got me really PARANOID now!! lindysalsagal Jun 2013 #45

So, you've gotten yourself really paranoid now Art_from_Ark Jun 2013 #69

Common knowledge. H2O Man Jun 2013 #35

I will take the longer view nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #44

Maybe you're right...I hope so. PCIntern Jun 2013 #47

No doubt in my mind nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #48

+1 villager Jun 2013 #57

FBI Carnivore system was implemented in 1997 csziggy Jun 2013 #49

Your acquaintance is absolutely correct . aristocles Jun 2013 #53

"if an individual uses certain words in a telephone conversation..." Bourne Supremacy. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #58

yeah...because there was nothing true-to-life in those books or films... PCIntern Jun 2013 #62

.. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #65

For all we know... PCIntern Jun 2013 #66

It's nothing new. I remember with old rotary dial lines you could hear clicks on the line. alphafemale Jun 2013 #60

Thanks for your OP, PC Cha Jun 2013 #64

k/r Dawson Leery Jun 2013 #67

A brutal conversation, In many respects you are correct G_j Jun 2013 #68